So I have been reading these forums for a while but this is my first ever hand post.

Playing 2/5 in maryland. I have about 950 in front of me. Both villains have me covered. V1 to my immediate left is a 50s middle eastern guy and has been playing a bit strange. He has been blind raising on the button to 20, which is a very strange and exploitable play. But he hasn't done anything too crazy. V2 who is on immediate left of v1, has around 2200 in front of him and has been running on God mode but also made some big calls with mediocre hands. I think this has more to do with his lack of understanding hand strength than making good reads. He is late 40s, rec player and just looks generally clueless. Have never seen him 3 bet. He seems to look at bets in terms of absolute numbers rather than vs pot/stack size. Basically just a level 1 player.

Hero is in mid position. 2 limpers. I limp with 4d5d.
V1 raises to 20 in hj. V2 calls 20 in CO. 2 limpers and hero call.

Flop $100
10 J K all diamonds
Check to V1 who bets 80
V1 raises to 180.
Fold to hero who??

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Just call.

If you raise, you'll only get called if someone believes that you have a big draw, or big pair+draw. A naked Ad or Qd, KJ, KQd, QdJ, etc. However, those are the hands you're hoping your opponent has. I'm not sure how productive it would be to represent the exact hand you're targeting for value.

The hand should be pretty face up at this point. I'd at least give V's the opportunity to hang themselves on a blank turn before I start firing at this pot.

Need to clarify the action here. Is V2 the one who raised to 180?

Sorry. V2 raise to 180.

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What's V2s raising range? He's a level 1 player who has made big calls. Does he raise here with the naked Ad or Qd as a semibluff? With KxQd? Does he raise or call with two pair or a set? (sets unlikely, since I assume KK and JJ are 3!ing pre.)

Just as important, will he fire multiple barrels with two pair or a semibluff?

Call me a nit, but I'm leaning fold with these stacks and this position. There are a ton of flushes that already outflush us, and V2 doesn't strike me as someone likely to turn aggressive with two pair or a combo draw.

If a flush card or board pair hits the turn (17 cards), we're probably stuck check-folding. If the turn bricks, we choose between committing half our stack as a donk bet (there will be $540 in the pot if V1 folds, $640 if he calls. So we're betting at least $300 if we're betting at all), jamming as a donk bet, or check/evaluating. If he bets the turn, we should either jam or fold, and we're still in the dark about which option is better. If he checks the turn, we can feel confident we're ahead, but we still have to dodge those 17 outs a second time.

If V2 has a lot of 2 pair, combo draws, and semibluffs in his range, then I'd consider calling flop and donk-jamming all brick turns. But if he rarely raises postflop, I think this is a disciplined fold.

First thing would be that I wouldn't mind a preflop squeeze here to $110 or so. Looks like a lot of dead money.

Flop action looks very weighted toward sets/2pair/AQ/Ak/Kq type stuff for both Vils.

If we have already checked the flop, which looks like what happened then I'm flatting and stacking off if vil1 shoves over the top. The check/cold 3bet I think turns our hand face up and gets us mostly only called by worse.

I kind of hate this spot bc any turn diamond is going to not only kill our hand but also our action. When we call the 180,and assuming that vil 1 over calls the pot is 640 w 750 effective stacks. I don't think we should have much trouble, without taking an aggressive flop action, getting money in good on the turn vs their range.

Sucks if we're coolered, but I'm looking to make money here and too many of the typical limp/call flushes are blocked by the board for me to fold here vs these vil types.

Ok so based on my read of v2, I am never giving him a combo draw. He has a made hand for sure. However, he is certainly capable of over valuing even a hand like top 2. My range for him is aq, q9, 1010, jj, kk (as I have yet to see him 3 bet once pre), and even kj, but it's unlikely. He could also have a made flush. Obviously if he has a straight there's a good chance he has a diamond with it.

So I flat the 180. V2 folds. Turn is a 7c. I check again. This v does not know how to slow down with a big hand, including a straight on this board. I am fully expecting a bet again. He bets 200 into a pot of about 540. I have about 750. This is where it gets tricky. Do I flat and check the river? If so, do I fold to a jam? Should I just Jam it in now? Call and Jam on blank rivers? I literally tanked for close to 2 minutes in this spot before making my decision, because I genuinely was not sure what to do, and I realized that could
Effect his decision.

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Jam it in. No more free cards. If he has the best hand, pay it off.

Yes jam with this read.

You will miss too much value OTR when an action killing card comes and you still have the best hand, like a diamond if he has 2p or a straight etc.

Pretty easy 3b/f I think. If v2 is really a level 1 player its pretty unlikely that he is fast playing a bigger flush, especially with all players still to act behind him. Looks more like a scared flopped set or straight trying to protect his hand. 3b to 420 to set up a jam on blank turns. Fold flop to a 4b jam from v2 of course.

Edit: 2p as well in V2s range here. Also AdJx, AdTx, maybe AdKx as well. Only flush combos he could really be playing are AdXd, 8d9d, 7d8d, 6d7d, 5d6d, maybe some one-gappers. So I think there is a lot of value in 3b flop ship blank turn. V2s 4b range is entirely flushes, and we can easily get away if he ships

What? Overlimp/squeeze from MP with 5-high?

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Idk man. $105 to win $90 vs a habitual blind Raiser and 3 limp calls for a small raise ? + if initial Raiser folds this reads like we have position on everybody else and a stack to fire a couple barrels vs droolers

I'm not saying always, but this spot looks juicy af if our image is non maniac and our opponents aren't calling machines

a. V1 blind raises from the BTN. He is in the HJ this hand -- big difference.

b. V2 is running like God and is in the CO

c. We are nearly 200 BB's deep vs. V1 and V2

d. We are OOP

e. We have 5-high

Add it all up and this is a horrible spot so squeeze. No way a raise folds out V1 and V2 with stacks and position the way it is. Even if they put us on exactly AA they will call to crack us.

fold pre before the limp. This is not a hand you want to limp in early/middle unless you were co/but or sb w/a table of limpers in front of you (raising button sometimes based on games).

fold to the raise pre.

fold to the hundred on top. If we flat any diamond is going to crush us and he's probably betting 200+ on blank turns. It does not appear to be a semi bluff based on sizing. We are likely already drawing dead on that alone.

baby FD's and F's suck in early position when we are approaching 200bb's deep and facing heat.

I don't think folding is terrible - I'm never checking flop either.

I would have just led the flop for $85 and see what happens behind. C/r is too nutty on such a wet board and our hand isn't in great shape versus anyone's flop GII range or bet/call range this deep. As played I'm either making it $445 or folding. Hate flatting the raise here.