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11-15-2018 , 10:01 PM

Vancouver

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Game is 9 handed. Villain and I are 200BBs deep. Villain generally plays straightforward but can get a bit sticky with TPTK, TPGK type hands on Ace high boards. In an earlier hand, he squeezed (w/AQo) from BTN vs an UTG raise and MP call. Bet Axx flop, bet-called UTG's turn shove. Villain's AQ < UTG's AK. In a previous session, I have seen him bet-call check raises with what I assume AQ/AK type hands on Ace high boards.

I raise A

from UTG+1 to $20, only villain calls.

Flop ($45) K

I bet $25, villain calls

Turn ($95) 3

I bet $50, villain raises to $165, I..?

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11-15-2018 , 10:27 PM

mikko

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Dam, that sucks. Not a board I would expect to get raised on. He raise TP often?

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11-15-2018 , 10:30 PM

the_dude_174

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Check turn.

AP call. His sizing is terrible.

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11-15-2018 , 10:38 PM

mikko

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Originally Posted by the_dude_174

Check turn.

AP call. His sizing is terrible.

His sizing is fantastic. What do you suggest?

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11-15-2018 , 10:44 PM

the_dude_174

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Originally Posted by mikko

His sizing is fantastic. What do you suggest?

V raise is tiny. We call 115 to win 310 almost getting direct odds with like 700+ behind.

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11-15-2018 , 10:55 PM

mikko

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Originally Posted by the_dude_174

V raise is tiny. We call 115 to win 310 almost getting direct odds with like 700+ behind.

What sizing should he use?

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11-16-2018 , 12:03 AM

johnnyBuz

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Pretty straightforward call. Turn bet is fine and I like your sizing throughout.

Bink your 11 outer vs. 55/44 and stack him with a river x/r.

A 2 could be RIO since he could have 67 and be well ahead or will just x back a set putting you on AK that sucked out.

I may b/f river small on a 2 and x/jam on a club.

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11-16-2018 , 12:19 AM

bombonanza

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yes, i think the sizing is a bit small, i can call here to hit my flush (maybe 7 not 9 outer).

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11-16-2018 , 01:41 AM

sabloid

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Why is this a call? I doubt he would get paid when the flush hits. Plus 5c or a Kc or a 2 might not be outs

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11-16-2018 , 02:15 AM

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HomelessPizza

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Originally Posted by sabloid

Why is this a call? I doubt he would get paid when the flush hits. Plus 5c or a Kc or a 2 might not be outs

This is a call because of the price we are getting and good stack depth, especially since this particular V is capable of doing this showdown raise with a hand like KJ.

We have about 30% equity vs 55-44,KJs+,76s,KJo+

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11-16-2018 , 09:37 AM

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the_dude_174

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Originally Posted by mikko

What sizing should he use?

If I was V, I would be raising to 225ish with 2pr/sets/straights

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11-16-2018 , 03:08 PM

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Minatorr

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flop and turn are fine. call now

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11-16-2018 , 03:10 PM

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mikko

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Originally Posted by the_dude_174

If I was V, I would be raising to 225ish with 2pr/sets/straights

Sizing is bit too large for my liking. I am Lag and bit stationy in to many spots. Even I am not continuing much to that raise size.

Assuming I raise wider than most UTG +1. I still don't hit this board with much besides AK, AA, Kk. With only a few other combos even double barreling this board.

At that sizing, I likely only continue KK, maybe I talk myself into peeling 1 card with AA. But likely fold if I hold A of clubs.

Not sure about others. But I am not opening 44, or 55 UTG +1. Occasionally during good session may open 67s.

Doesn't leave many hands to call you with. Very few hands that you beat.

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11-16-2018 , 03:21 PM

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setintostraight

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Originally Posted by the_dude_174

If I was V, I would be raising to 225ish with 2pr/sets/straights

Where do you play that this wouldn't get instant snapfolds from anything worse than a straight\set ?

I agree with the turn check though.

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11-16-2018 , 03:54 PM

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ninefingershuffle

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RIP it in as a bluff.

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11-16-2018 , 04:45 PM

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johnnyBuz

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Originally Posted by mikko

Not sure about others. But I am not opening 44, or 55 UTG +1. Occasionally during good session may open 67s.

Doesn't leave many hands to call you with. Very few hands that you beat.

Give me 44/55 over 67s 200 bigs eff from EP any day but tomato tomato.

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11-16-2018 , 05:36 PM

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twitcherroo

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AP it’s a call. I can see mixing in some turn checks V and game flow dependent. Way more likely to get paid big on river w/ turn check than lead. Higher variance, the turn bet gets called a lot but after leading turn it’s going to be much harder to get paid on river if flush comes in. I think you had 0.0% FE at that sizing so i’d Probably c/c the turn and then firing a bluffy looking bet if I bink river.

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11-16-2018 , 06:05 PM

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ninefingershuffle

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You have twelve clean outs. He doesn't have that many two pairs in his range. Will he call with just a King to a rip for over pot?

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11-16-2018 , 07:07 PM

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browni3141

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Nothing suggests he'd do this with just a K. He's way more polarized than that. Call and bet/fold 1/4 pot on a 2, x/shove on a club. x/fold everything else.

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11-16-2018 , 07:12 PM

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mikko

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Originally Posted by johnnyBuz

Give me 44/55 over 67s 200 bigs eff from EP any day but tomato tomato.

Honestly if I am in mood to burn $$$. I would likely open 44 and 55 as often as 67. Much prefer playability of the suited connector though. As normal avg of 4 players per flop in games I play.

No way, I or anyone else is showing substantial profit opening those hands though.

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11-16-2018 , 07:34 PM

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Minatorr

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Originally Posted by mikko

55 >>> 76s. 66/77 >>>>>>>>>>>> 76s. SCs are overrated. Check bb/100 for databases of hands.

Not saying that we should be making money opening 55 from UTG + 1 but it sure as hell beats opening 76s.

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11-16-2018 , 07:43 PM

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mikko

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Originally Posted by Minatorr

55 >>> 76s. 66/77 >>>>>>>>>>>> 76s. SCs are overrated. Check bb/100 for databases of hands.

Not saying that we should be making money opening 55 from UTG + 1 but it sure as hell beats opening 76s.

On fairly large Database per 2016. 78s (67 wasn't in my 6max opening range)....

87s slightly outperformed 55. Over 600k hands.

Both got absolutely destroyed though.

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11-16-2018 , 08:22 PM

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browni3141

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Originally Posted by mikko

On fairly large Database per 2016. 78s (67 wasn't in my 6max opening range)....

87s slightly outperformed 55. Over 600k hands.

Both got absolutely destroyed though.

It's probably not statistically significant to draw conclusions based on a small difference between the two hands.

You only got 87s UTG 4/1326*1/6*600000 =~ 300 times, and 55 about 450 times.

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11-16-2018 , 11:13 PM

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mikko

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It was enough to realize, I couldn't turn a profit with either.

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11-16-2018 , 11:29 PM

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johnnyBuz

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Online 6max and live full ring are completely different. With 200+ BB effective stacks you should be able to turn a profit with PP’s.

PP’s can defend 3bets. Low SC’s in EP are garbage and perform terribly in 3bet pots.

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