I agree this is a crappy spot that's why I posted it. But I agree with jvds against this villain I just don't think we can fold flop.

Against most $2$5 villains I would just snap fold because min raises are usually fish with nuts but this guy isn't that person.

Maybe some might say he is a bad lag and I saw him trying to bluff some stations unsuccessfully later in the night but he's a decent winner because he just pounds on the weak tight guys and they just keep folding and folding to him.

Villain should not be labeled as "pro grinder" this is ****ing awful. I can see his thinking too, it goes something like "let me c/r min here to see were I'm at" "oh he called, good,so he must have AK with the straight draw, gots to bet big on turn"

would anyone like hero betting 200 on river?

I think I play the hand the exact same way fwiw - maybe $5 more pre and otf.

We're not really getting value from anything.

thin, but 66,77,88

maybe a riv bet of $150 instead of 200

He might see that as weak and raise. Also not sure he would call with 88 etc, I thought when he checked he gave up and I was actually surprised he didn't bet river. I also grabbed some chips after the turn call and was trying to make it look like I was going to call river so maybe it worked or was just a coincidence.

I think that the OP's description was fine, and given the read, there is no way I would be folding to the min c/r on the flop. Do you really need specific hand histories to determine that this opponent would be capable of c/r the flop with hands that might be way behind to Hero's 99?

Sure he can have all those hands...he can also have 66, 44, 56, 67s, 78s, A5, A2, A4, 77-88, 46...thats a lot of hands that we can put in his range. We have position so let's use it and call.

I've been noticing something going on with min raises from good players, not just in this thread but from other HHs and when I'm playing live.

Its coming to a point where it seems before the min raise was seen as the ultimate value bet from bad players, now good players use this bet against other 'good' players as a bluff. also by only min raising especially OOP, the pot is kept small and a player could fire another bullet that could be smaller with the same effect.

Anyways NH man, FWIW i would have played it the same.

This is a well known tell that you are nervous about your hand, don't do it. When I see that I usually barrel big (as long as villain is bad, not reversing it on me)

This is true but using it as a reverse is ****ing fun as hell.

Pre isn't as big a deal as post but yea once you 1/2 pot otf you look really weak (even though it's into several players) and that leads to inducing. This isn't really a hand you want to induce with.

Yes this is actually a good spot to c/r a huge range as villain but I just don't like call/call/decide lines in live poker with low equity bluffcatchers. Like I would much rather call flop here with A5 (though results have us losing with that holding )

I also am not quick to fold but I mean sometimes I know someone is likely owning me and I still fold just because it's a pretty good spot for them and very thin spot for me.

I actually don't think this is a good spot to c/r bc he should have a lot of those hands in a leading range. I think the difference between A5 and 99 is significant here because he has a bunch of bluff hands that have cards between 5 and 9 and the amount of times he spikes a pair and wins is significant enough to outweigh what we gain from gunshots and blocker value, and there are always those button clicking accidental merges with pairs between 5x and 99 (like what happened) that happen semi often vs live button clickers. Also, vs this player I don't think flop or turn are too marginal, i think you're showing a decent profit by calling.

I joined this game at 9am on the day you posted this hand. Was this V in seat 8? Black T shirt, slicked hair?

If so, he was trying to pull this move on me too, it worked once, then I caught on.

I would have flatted the raise and c/r the turn if he fires again. Again, this is V dependent, and only if it's this V.

I never really play 2/5 at the Aria or 2/5 in general, but I railed this game for a few minutes and decided to sit since the 1/3 had a list, it was a good choice. Very profitable.

I had someone do this to me a few days ago. They min raised a gutshot on the flop and fired a second barrel on the turn. From a weak player, it's an instafold.

I don't hate the play from V in this hand. Hero's opening range on the button is pretty wide. He's going to c-bet a lot. A min-c/r flop, fire turn line is going to take down a lot of pots. Even when Hero plays it well (like in this hand), it's a lot of pressure to endure. A lot of players might fold overpairs to the board against this line. Plus, when V actually does have the goods, he's going to get paid more. I think I might put Vs play in my toolbox It might even be more effective coming from a TAG.

If he is aggressive post flop and especially on a semi dry flop like this I think his range is closer to 2 pair+ than just overcards/air. Also, when a villian is aggressive then I always feel like it is better to trap them then take the risk of making hero calls or risking one pair hands for heaps. N Calling here would be the worst play. You can raise or fold. And raising is just too much risk and open up to getting raised again. Also- a check raise is pretty strong. Now if the flop was something like 226r then maybe you could peel. But anytime we call a raise there needs to be a plan. Calling and folding the turn pretty much makes calling the flop pointless. And 99% of the time he is barreling the turn after a check raise. So now you have to call him down. It's just too much risk trying to be a hero with such a marignal hand.

yea i would try it every now and then but I try to run it against guys who fold to me a lot.

its def. not something i do often but def. something that kind of jumps out at me when a good player does it.

River is a small value bet. There's almost no hand he can have that beats us (AJ?), and he pays off a whole bunch of worse hands: 88-, A5-, etc.

As a bonus you get to watch him die a little inside when you roll third pair and he double checks his cards and then mucks disgustedly.