Crazy table late on Friday night. Raises get lots of action pre. Some people are capable of spewing big time post-flop, while others give up quickly to aggression.
Hero ($650) is stuck for like $1,000 and been playing a long time, but most of the table (including V) doesn't know this. Should have a decent TAG image, even bordering on nitty. I won a hand vs V earlier where I raised pre, cbet, checked turn, he led river and I shoved all in on river over his donkbet (I binked the nut straight). He tanked for a while and said if he had a pair he'd call.
Villian (covers) is a rich dude, smooth / fast talker in his 40s who owns a bunch of grocery stores. He is a longtime semi-reg and everyone knows him, but we've never played before. Wearing a suit and has spikey hair and trendy glasses. Actually seems like a somewhat decent player as far as feel / reads, but unnecessarily aggressive / bluffy.
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Preflop: Hero is UTG with AQcc and makes it $20 (any decent raise size will get at least 3 callers). Get 5 callers including V in BTN.
Flop: J66 two clubs (~$120)
Hero?
My plan was to valuebet any pair and otherwise check/fold. But 6-handed I'm not sure what's my plan for this flop. Bet/call, bet/fold, check/call, check/raise? If it checks to Villain on BTN we can expect him to bet with a high frequency. If we check and he bets like $100 with several people behind me to act, what would we do?
I would lean toward a check/call here. You have too much hand value to fold outright. But betting the flop is going to fold zero js, zero clubs, and few pocket pairs. And it's going to invite smaller flush draws to try a semibluff.
Check/calling gives up the lead, but you don't particularly want the lead because it'll create a bad decision for you on any non-club turn. And check/calling as the pfr can also make habitual bluffers take notice. ("wait, he raised preflop, then check-called? Dammit, am I bluffing into pocket jacks or something here?")
Downside is that if you c/c here, you probably have to c/f to a bet on a non-club turn. But that's still our best option. Too much value to fold, c/r is too spewy, and betting is too easy for opponents to play correctly against.
If it checks to bluffy guy on the button, I probably check/shove. If one of the other players makes a bet, I call if the odds are good, fold if they aren't.
I like check/evaluate, mostlikely check/raise and shove turn given stack sizes.
With this many players, your cbet is bound to get called and you have a tough spot OOP on the turn if you don't hit. If it checks through, it's not the worst thing in the world either.
I think it has to be read/villain specific. If you think you can force a fold from some of his jacks, this is a good semibluff spot. There's $520 in the pot, your call will make it $720 and you have another $330 left to bet, so you'll be offering him about 3-to-1.
Raise pre, check/call, check/shove is a strong line, and you have a tag image. So I think it's a profitable spot to shove, but definitely one that will feel spewy those times when he snap-calls with 65h.
we only have $20 invested in this hand. anyone else just fold to the $100 on the flop? oop vs someone who will likely keep betting later streets shoving or folding has to be better than flatting
Last edited by dipstikdave; 12-17-2014 at 04:13 PM.
Reason: don't like shoving either
I don't mind a fold or call on the flop, but I probably call because I don't think he's folding a 6 even if the flush comes (thinking OP has an over pair). I fold to the turn bet, though.