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02-21-2014 , 12:04 AM
Hero just sat down. Second hand.

Hero (500) is OTB w AQ

V1 (600) is in BB

UTG+1 limps, MP limps, folds to hero. Hero raises to 25. BB calls. UTG+1 folds. MP calls.

Flop (80) is 3A9

Checks to hero. Hero bets 55. BB raises to 155. MP folds. Hero calls.

Turn (390) 3

BB is all in. Hero calls.
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02-21-2014 , 12:20 AM
description of villain?

you are beat here at least 95 percent of the time, though.
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02-21-2014 , 12:28 AM
I prefer $30 pre.

Fold flop readless. Sometimes people are dumb and do this with AJ but usually it's 99/A9/A3/33.
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02-21-2014 , 12:38 AM
Easy call

He almost always have ace of diamonds and fd
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02-21-2014 , 12:42 AM
why would u want to get your entire stack in with just one pair when you have no read on the villian at all in the 2nd hand of the session?
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02-21-2014 , 12:49 AM
I would expect to be beat pretty often but would have a hard time folding here in game. Might just shove flop if I were in your spot.
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02-21-2014 , 01:47 AM
I call this.

The 3 is a very good card for you.
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02-21-2014 , 02:28 AM
That 3 is one of the six cards we were looking for. Discount 93 from V.

Still folding here being readless.

30+ pre is better even if it was just one limp.

Flop bet is good, but I'm folding flop readless. Over the long haul a call here readless is -ev.
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02-21-2014 , 02:58 AM
Dont blame you for calling Flop raise ... to evaluate ... and he goes all-in!!

Flip this around and what type of had does he put you on as a 'newbie' to the table? You called the raise so you must have 'something' ... did you raise PF OTB with KdQd? Not really.

This is a tough one ... why would he shove a boat here (maybe only A3)? Does he put you exactly on AxXx regardless of what he has? It's hard to put him on a large range of hands here but hands that beat you that you might see are AA/A3/99/AxKx ... all other hands must be drawing to the flush, eh?

This comes down to who you are as a player. How many bullets did you bring? Are you ahead of AdXd often enough here to be +EV?

I dont think I called the Flop raise to fold to this card IMO, call this one off here but it sure would be nice to have more information on the V. His only real move here is to shove $320 into $390. I would hope that this is the bottom of your calling range here with no flush draw attatched to your cards. GL
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02-21-2014 , 09:04 AM
Standard and WP.

Shoving flop is an option but naked FD may fold, though combos AdXd will call.
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02-21-2014 , 09:40 AM
Depending on villain this is a Meh fold otf or a fist pump snap call otf/ fist pump snap call Ott.
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02-21-2014 , 09:56 AM
seems good. Ace not being a diamond really weighs Vils range and action towards FDs and stuff.

like others said 3 is a very good turn card here.
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02-21-2014 , 10:03 AM
i dont see too many Ax hands V is cold calling a 3bet out of the BB with, maybe AK or AQ? i like his likely hand here is 99 maybe A9 if hes bad enough to call pre with that. unless he's is a really bad player and is calling with AJ AT A8 and just overvaluing it on the turn.
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02-21-2014 , 10:23 AM
assuming he is a total unknown, AK is in our range and he threw out 100 on top of our cbet. He would call with any lower ace here most likely so he doesn't fold us out with a wide button raising range who missed.
And if we call what are we doing to his turn bet? This is what I would consider right before folding. Does he always check raise his flush draws like that? Why wouldnt he just donk out instead? the c/r makes him look a lot stronger than a fd.

I can't see going broke with Top pair good kicker to an unknown here.


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Last edited by Playbig2000; 02-21-2014 at 10:46 AM. Reason: 2+2 terms of service agreement
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02-21-2014 , 10:46 AM
This is a standard example of why you should wait for your BB to come around. You've decided to post and now you're involved in a big pot w/o reads. And a read is really important here. You need to know if he's the type to over play the AJ and AK here or if he would fast play his set of 9's. Or if he would even call with 93s in the BB (very fishy).

I don't really agree that the 3 is a good card for us. It really doesn't change our hand much. We were check/raised on the flop and now we're facing an AI on the turn. We were likely beat on the flop ( probably a set of 9's or AK ) and so we are still beat on the turn ( I'd rule out quads completely though since he'd probably bet less in order to keep you in ).

Here's what pokerstove tells us. I gave villian AK, AQ, AX down to A7, 99, A3o and only 1 combo of 93s. Note that there are NO COMBOS OF A3s.

Board: 3d Ac 9d 3h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 26.864% 12.55% 14.32% 138 157.50 { AsQd }
Hand 1: 73.136% 58.82% 14.32% 647 157.50 { 9c9h, 9c9s, 9h9s, AcKc, AhKh, AdQd, AhQh, AdJd, AdTd, Ah9h, Ad8d, Ad7d, AdKc, AdKh, AdKs, AhKc, AhKd, AhKs, AdQc, AdQh, AdQs, AhQc, AhQs, Ad3c, Ad3s, Ah3c, Ah3s }
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02-21-2014 , 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Morph3us

I don't really agree that the 3 is a good card for us.
lol what, the 3 is one of the best cards in the deck for us.
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02-21-2014 , 01:13 PM
I definitely liked the 3 OTT. If it improved villain's hand then he had me already.

If I was calling flop raise, I'm calling shove when 3 falls.
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02-21-2014 , 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by diskoteque
lol what, the 3 is one of the best cards in the deck for us.
I agree, but it doesn't mean we can just GII now. Like I said, it really doesn't change much. In fact our equity goes down OTT. A better card would be a Q. This way we beat AK now.
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02-21-2014 , 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Morph3us
I agree, but it doesn't mean we can just GII now. Like I said, it really doesn't change much. In fact our equity goes down OTT. A better card would be a Q. This way we beat AK now.
i think ak is an unlikely holding given the preflop action.

in my eyes, this really comes down to fact that the ace is not the ace of diamonds. i guess its a stove question but if we're assuming villain plays A2s, A4s-A8s, ATs, AJs this way i suspect its a call. im at work otherwise id run it myself. maybe give him a couple of AK combos for the calculation.
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02-21-2014 , 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by diskoteque
i think ak is an unlikely holding given the preflop action.

in my eyes, this really comes down to fact that the ace is not the ace of diamonds. i guess its a stove question but if we're assuming villain plays A2s, A4s-A8s, ATs, AJs this way i suspect its a call. im at work otherwise id run it myself. maybe give him a couple of AK combos for the calculation.
With that range this is what you get.

Board: 3d Ac 9d 3h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 41.591% 36.36% 05.23% 240 34.50 { AsQd }
Hand 1: 58.409% 53.18% 05.23% 351 34.50 { AdKd, AdJd, AdTd, Ad8d, Ad7d, Ad6d, Ad5d, Ad4d, Ad2d, AdKc, AdKh, AdKs, AhKc, AhKd, AhKs }

Also, if we're so willing to GII on the 3 turn with only AQ, shouldn't he be just as willing to GII with AK?
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02-21-2014 , 04:45 PM
The above range excludes 99, 33, and A9 (probably only suited).

I still just fold the flop because a lot of people actually play Axdd passively at these stakes.
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02-21-2014 , 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by SABR42
I call this.

The 3 is a very good card for you.
How would you have played flop?
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02-21-2014 , 05:39 PM
I think people are forgetting that recs/amateurs don't play AK like a monster, people tend to play it passively pre flop.
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02-21-2014 , 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by beauvanlaanen
I think people are forgetting that recs/amateurs don't play AK like a monster, people tend to play it passively pre flop.
I was never worried about AK. And I think recs/amateurs are more likely to overplay AK.
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02-21-2014 , 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by beauvanlaanen
I think people are forgetting that recs/amateurs don't play AK like a monster, people tend to play it passively pre flop.

on the other hand, recreational players are much more likely to either check or make a super small fishy bet on the turn when they make quads or boat up. it's very rare to see these guys blast the pot when they have the nuts.
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