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Old 10-05-2017, 12:41 AM   #1
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2/5 AQo

Hero (covers) been playing super loose from LP, have probably bet about 80% of total postflop streets ive been involved in, entered almost 100% of hands as the raiser or 3 better. First time back at the table for over a month, so i was really antsy for action, playing way too many hands (i already play a wide range from LP and bluff a lot, but it was even moreso than normal, especially because i had passive weak players to my left for the early part of the night). have shown a 3 barrel bluff with J7o from the button as well as showing down K3o, I mightve shown A6 that i 3 bet, cant remember. Up about $900 just from steamrolling. Ive shown down some winners, but have shown down zero monsters, like, the only one i remember of them i value bet 2nd pair for two streets vs a draw and check called his bluff and scooped a decent sized pot.

V ($1500) have not seen a lot of him. I have mostly been mixing it up with the people on my side of the table since my antics have been from btn/CO, I have not seen him 3! in the 1-2 hrs he has been at the table (possible he did, havent been paying great attention either.). Seems like a straightforward ABC player, possible he is a good TAG but havent had any indication of that.

Hero (UTG) raises to $25 with AQo
V (BTN) reraises to $70
Hero calls

(i considered folding. No reason to think V 3 bets light since he hasnt 3 bet thusfar, and its an UTG raise, but whatever, i was not in much of a mood to fold pre this session clearly)

Flop ($140) Qd7c6c
hero checks
V bets $55
hero calls (WA/WB situation unless he has SCs.)

Turn (250) As
hero checks
V bets $225

Am i crazy to think this is a call down or maybe even a fold? Vs $55 bet set off an alarm bell that it was a suck bet with QQ or AA, now he has me hooked and pots it on the turn. Its possble he put out a really weak bluff with AK, but C/C down seems like it would get the most value from AK.
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Old 10-05-2017, 12:45 AM   #2
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Re: 2/5 AQo

your suits?
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Old 10-05-2017, 12:56 AM   #3
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Re: 2/5 AQo

I’d like to know if we have the Ac or Qc in our hand as I want to know if V can have AcKc or AcQc.
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Old 10-05-2017, 12:57 AM   #4
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Hero (covers) been playing super loose from LP, have probably bet about 80% of total postflop streets ive been involved in, entered almost 100% of hands as the raiser or 3 better. First time back at the table for over a month, so i was really antsy for action, playing way too many hands (i already play a wide range from LP and bluff a lot, but it was even moreso than normal, especially because i had passive weak players to my left for the early part of the night). have shown a 3 barrel bluff with J7o from the button as well as showing down K3o, I mightve shown A6 that i 3 bet, cant remember. Up about $900 just from steamrolling. Ive shown down some winners, but have shown down zero monsters, like, the only one i remember of them i value bet 2nd pair for two streets vs a draw and check called his bluff and scooped a decent sized pot.

V ($1500) have not seen a lot of him. I have mostly been mixing it up with the people on my side of the table since my antics have been from btn/CO, I have not seen him 3! in the 1-2 hrs he has been at the table (possible he did, havent been paying great attention either.). Seems like a straightforward ABC player, possible he is a good TAG but havent had any indication of that.

Hero (UTG) raises to $25 with AQo
V (BTN) reraises to $70
Hero calls

(i considered folding. No reason to think V 3 bets light since he hasnt 3 bet thusfar, and its an UTG raise, but whatever, i was not in much of a mood to fold pre this session clearly)

Flop ($140) Qd7c6c
hero checks
V bets $55
hero calls (WA/WB situation unless he has SCs.)

Turn (250) As
hero checks
V bets $225

Am i crazy to think this is a call down or maybe even a fold? Vs $55 bet set off an alarm bell that it was a suck bet with QQ or AA, now he has me hooked and pots it on the turn. Its possble he put out a really weak bluff with AK, but C/C down seems like it would get the most value from AK.
What are your suits? Mainly, do you have the Ac? AQ is one of the best hands you could have here (next to 66, 77, QQ) so folding is not an option at this point. The question is really call or raise. Simply call and make a decision on river.

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Old 10-05-2017, 01:11 AM   #5
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Re: 2/5 AQo

Obvious fold pre

Folding now is absurd
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Old 10-05-2017, 01:24 AM   #6
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Fold to the 3!.

Can't fold now.
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Old 10-05-2017, 01:38 AM   #7
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We should be good enough where AQo can be an auto fold , if it doesn't feel right just fold unless you have to level yourself

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Old 10-05-2017, 01:50 AM   #8
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Folding pre seems pretty damn nitty. Unless the villain is a terrible nit folding here should not be considered at this level. Against a decent reg I could make an argument to both calling or 4 betting here (pre).

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Old 10-05-2017, 02:09 AM   #9
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Re: 2/5 AQo

im like 90% sure i had Qc (and 100% sure i didnt have Ac)

for poeple who say folding post is absurd, do you raise flop, turn, or just C/C down?
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Old 10-05-2017, 02:09 AM   #10
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Folding pre seems pretty damn nitty. Unless the villain is a terrible nit folding here should not be considered at this level. Against a decent reg I could make an argument to both calling or 4 betting here (pre).

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4bet and fold is ideal , it's possible we are beat here I somehow feel it but that's my online read

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Old 10-05-2017, 02:38 AM   #11
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im like 90% sure i had Qc (and 100% sure i didnt have Ac)

for poeple who say folding post is absurd, do you raise flop, turn, or just C/C down?
C/c down, fold clubs. Never raising post.
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Old 10-05-2017, 02:39 AM   #12
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Re: 2/5 AQo

Once you've gotten to the turn, there's a lot working against him having value here outside of image alone, and it's a very routine call.

Really though, fold pre and then just fold flop with no fd/bdfd.

What's the river?
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Old 10-05-2017, 06:16 AM   #13
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obvious AK is obvious AK. C/shove river.
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Old 10-05-2017, 12:24 PM   #14
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Re: 2/5 AQo

you're only losing to AA and QQ - 2 combos. No way a guy who is not an active 3better is 3betting hands like 66 or 77.

I mean - I've been running terrible and the last 2 times i've had top 2 pair I was against top set, so it's not out of the question.

But once you get this far, how can you fold? If you were going to fold at any point of the hand, it had to be pre flop.
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Old 10-05-2017, 02:30 PM   #15
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You are UTG and have been shown to be super light. While you have him ranged as a tag, he is putting you on a lot of flush draws and single pairs. That 225 seems like he is trying to make you pay for a draw. He could be doing this with a set, but considering you are blocking the two most obvious, feel like this is a call. I might consider shoving here if you really don't think he shows up here with 66/77

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Old 10-05-2017, 03:46 PM   #16
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Re: 2/5 AQo

Dont open 5bbs pre utg
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Old 10-05-2017, 03:47 PM   #17
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Disagree. First time I think sizing is ok
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Old 10-05-2017, 06:53 PM   #18
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Re: 2/5 AQo

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hero shipped, V snapped, had QQ, river 7. I think shipping was pretty dumb and i think calling pre was pretty dumb. Chaking it up to off my game from being out of practice, because I think id normally fold pre, and when i call, id be deciding between call and fold on turn.

I think the really tiny bet OTF followed by big ott is a sizing tell as a suck bet with a big hand, aka QQ and MAYBE AA, Not saying the tell is enough to fold to 2 total combos, when there are 8 combos of AK, but i dont think he bets $55 with KK or AK. My mind was screaming for me to fold, and I feel like if anything i lean towards being too much of a station than having MUBS, so was wondering if anyone else was getting that "this is always top set" feeling. sounds like nope, so C/C down is the move here.
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Old 10-05-2017, 07:19 PM   #19
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Re: 2/5 AQo

Sheesh, can't do that on the turn no matter what, but you outlined why you made the mistake. I couldn't fold turn, river is another story considering his 3b/3x gii range is likely 2 combos on this board.
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Old 10-10-2017, 10:42 PM   #20
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Re: 2/5 AQo

I'm not calling a 3 bet with AQo OOP until a V has shown me they can do this with hands I dominate and put in more money post when they hit 1 pair.

The V you describe definitely does not fit this criteria.

I'm calling turn, as I don't think better ever folds to a jam and I'm not sure enough that V can never have a draw here even if AcKc is really the only one that makes sense if you don't think V is 3 betting other AXs from the button.

That puts me in a tough spot on the river, but I do get there with QQ, 66 and 77 so I might find a fold with AQ.
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Old 10-11-2017, 02:34 AM   #21
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What? if you aren't calling 3b with AQ what are you calling with? Only AK+? that's absurd.. AQ is one of the hands at the top of our range. Folding to standard 3b here is suicidal/lighting money on fire even against some of the more tighter V's. Should consider 4b pre. As played folding is completely out of the question. This is a cooler, call or raise turn both have merits but folding is just ridiculous.
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Old 10-11-2017, 05:24 AM   #22
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I think you can raise small here - like make it 500 - and sometimes fold to a shove...
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Old 10-11-2017, 07:42 AM   #23
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For those of you who want to call or 4! pre, please read the player description. Pre-flop is a standard fold against this guy. It doesn't matter if H is getting out of line. This guy is just playing the two cards that he is dealt.

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V ($1500) have not seen a lot of him. I have mostly been mixing it up with the people on my side of the table since my antics have been from btn/CO, I have not seen him 3! in the 1-2 hrs he has been at the table (possible he did, havent been paying great attention either.). Seems like a straightforward ABC player, possible he is a good TAG but havent had any indication of that.
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Old 10-11-2017, 01:23 PM   #24
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For those of you who want to call or 4! pre, please read the player description. Pre-flop is a standard fold against this guy. It doesn't matter if H is getting out of line. This guy is just playing the two cards that he is dealt.
Notice the "Haven't been paying great attention" part in the villain description? Paying close attention when you're out of the hand is as important as when you're in the hand.

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Old 10-11-2017, 08:10 PM   #25
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AQ is one of the hands at the top of our range.
No it is not.
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