Limp to me I raise 30 with aqo 2 callers including limper who previously donk called qj on 9tj vs me, flop a93r he donks out 75 I call other folds turn 9 he bets 200 I tank call river 6 he bets 425 I fold

Villain was playing PLO before coming here, the game is uncapped and he bought in for $2000. He's been limping a decent amount pre, seems like a loose, losing reg who hand reads some, we played a hand earlier where he limp/called preflop with QJo, bet out $70 into $60 on 9TJ, called my raise to $200, check/called $400 on the 5 turn and check/tank folded on the 6 river to my jam for $900, said "your Kings are good" and I showed a Q.

We are $1800 effective

He limps in MP1, I raise to $30 with AQ, 1 caller from sb limper calls.

Flop: A93 ($90)
Villain bets out $75, I call, sb folds
Turn: 9 ($240)
Villain bets $200
I think for awhile and call
River: 6 ($640)
Villain bets $425, I

... and is a bit discouraged from mubsyness, if I read the previous HH right, or what?

How about a V PF range of AT+, 33, 99, then? Or is he looser than that?

I am not going to fault your for flatting flop and turn, and on the river you beat 8 combos (AJ, AT) and lose to 12 (AK, 99, 33), getting 2.5:1.

I don't think you can make AK fold here, so without any other reads I am probably calling.

You would think that V would have raised AA, AK, and 99 pre so about the only hand that beats you that makes sense is 33. There’s no combos of A9s left since you have the Ad and A3s got counterfeited on the turn. I’m calling.

im sorry what is the alternative to calling here? you want to shove for value or something?

Not loving it but I call. Nh

I guess I'm bad cause I folded

I think villains range has A9o, 9To in it, given that it has QJo in it. I'd put those in before AK, given the limping.

Easy fold esp. if the plo game didnt break.

With KQ in the first one you should have gone 420 ott

Unless he's shown significant aggression priorly, you should really consider that Villain is way unbalanced toward AK, 9x, 33 ott. Folding the turn seems messed up because it's a super card for us (reduces the flopped set combos), but it should be considered in a live game. It's a bad random spot for Villain to spew without a read that says otherwise.

Really think he’s leading flop with 9X? One thing is leading the QJ hand with TP and OESD, but leading with mid-pair is another, imho.

Betting >80% pot on a turned boat?

If u underweight AK, then I’d lean call, albeit crying, vs. a player that may overvalue TP. Obviously beating AJ/AT which number 16 combos, chopping 6 combos of AQ. Question to answer is … does he take this line with those hands?

hard to say with info available, but line looks more like T9s with BDFD that binked the turn than button clicking AJ. idk. sometimes this is spaz, but hand sure looks like an lol live fold without more info on the PLO angle. overall, just expect to see 33 and AK too much here.

Maybe I'm just stationy in spots where reps close to little for value and the hands he does rep for value don't really make sense and we have a strong hand.

Is he limp calling AK/A9o pre?

Is he donking A9/33?

Do PLO players open limp with AK? Me thinks not. This looks like complete spazz to me. Call.

Calling looks so much better if it was As9h6h,9c,3d. Yeah, could be complete spazz in the actual hand, but that is all we beat.

No, i am like this also, but they just always have it here.

This hand is a perfect example of rob farha theorem. Its 9x like 80% of the time and something even more ******ed like AK/A3 the other 20%. A3 makes sense actually as one of the few hands we beat bc people spazz out when they feel entitled to the pot.

Hands often make no sense in live poker. Someone posted something really good awhile back that I wish i snipped but it was something like "when hands made no sense I used to call alot. Now, when faced with multi street aggression, i just assume they have it everytime, no matter how bizarre the line" which on the surface sounds wrong but just go off of observation. Off observation alone, 3 street betting is just almost always nutted in live poker. Thats all i need to know to fold AQ here. Not his range. Just that he bet bet bet.

Looks like a LOT of J9, K9 types of betting patterns I see at these stakes at the Houston-area games...on the turn, not sure that their trips are good but by the river, feeling comfortable that they are not up against the boat. Their comfort level was emboldened by the just-a-call of a what was essentially a pot-sized bet on the flop and turn. On the river, they put out the amount they obviously hope someone with an ace for the two pair is apt to call...

^^^You must play in some pretty soft games if people are playing K9 or J9 like this.

Hmmm interesting to see this going from "Obviously call why did you post this" to "We should probably fold"

Players who like to donk bet will donk these hands all day. "good hand but I gotta see where I'm at"

It's not an obvious call by any means. But I still think it's a call.

It is not even just the local stuff...I see that sort of play frequently even in casino games. It simply isn't that much money...and as such, they overvalue their face cards.

Readless you should fold the turn.

Call down is fine. They don't "always have it" here, especially not loose, splashy fish coming from PLO who we've already seen overvalue/overplay hands before.

I would likely fold turn readless, too, but we're not readless.

If I had to guess, this villain type has all A9o in his range. I’d just fold turn. Hard for him to have any bluffs and you just called a large donk as the PFR on an A93r flop and he’s near potting the turn.

There aren't many villains I'd call here. If you've seen villain play very LAG or maniacal then call. But you're the PFR...is he really going to bet bet bet OOP with worse than AQ? I'd guess he'd check at least once with something like AT/AJ, and if he really is that aggressive it seems unlikely he limps these hands preflop. It really looks like A9 or T9s or similar IMO.

Lol ... did he show?