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2-5 AQ in MP Vs. Straddle. Awkward SPR. 2-5 AQ in MP Vs. Straddle. Awkward SPR.

03-31-2014 , 01:32 PM
3 hands of note that may have played a part in this hand vs. V.

1. Earlier in the session I squeezed a weak EP open (not V) from 15 + 3 callers to 75, original raiser called and then check folded the flop to my c-bet of 100. I showed garbage.

2. I raised to 35 pre, got 3 callers, flopped mid set on a 2 flush board, c-bet 115, V calls OTB, turn brings the flush, I check-call 150, check river, he checks behind and shows 8c10c for the flush (I did not show).

3. V was not involved with this hand but was paying attention... Shark in EP opens 20, I flat in MP, 10 J K board, he c-bets 55 I flat. Turn 10 J K 8, he bets 85, I raise to 200, he jams for 600 and I tank fold. (nobody showed their cards)

This hand comes about 5 hands after hand 3.

7 handed game

Hero has AQo in MP (750)
V straddles OTB to 10. (800)

SB folds, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, hero raises to 60, V calls, everyone else folds.

Flop AcAd5c (~150)

Hero c-bets 75, V raises to 165, Hero?

V's range is clubs, pairs, bluffs, Ax.

What's your line?

Last edited by SunChips; 03-31-2014 at 01:41 PM. Reason: Good advice
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03-31-2014 , 01:40 PM
As for the hand, I'd flat here, planning to c/r GII OTT. You run the risk of letting him check his FDs through, but b/3b the flop here looks so strong that you're only getting called by better and a tiny amount of other hands IMO. If he's aggressive/thinks low enough of you to raise this board with a FD, he's probably firing a second bullet.

Last edited by hfrog355; 03-31-2014 at 02:05 PM.
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03-31-2014 , 01:50 PM
Well from hand #2 he doesn't seem very aggro. He calls flop bet, makes flush on turn and only bets half pot, then checks behind a safe river.

Not sure why you put clubs in his range on this hand. He doesn't seem to play flush draws aggressively but is playing this hand aggressively.
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03-31-2014 , 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by BradleyT
Well from hand #2 he doesn't seem very aggro. He calls flop bet, makes flush on turn and only bets half pot, then checks behind a safe river.

Not sure why you put clubs in his range on this hand. He doesn't seem to play flush draws aggressively but is playing this hand aggressively.
I figured he is capable of doing it. He seems like he kind of knows what he's doing but is leakier than a spaghetti strainer.

Now that i'm thinking about it, your probably right though, clubs should be a smaller part of his range than I originally thought and should probably be given equal weight if not less than pure bluffs.
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03-31-2014 , 03:23 PM
His hand is mostly Ax hands.

It's very close /flatting here and betting again.
I hate to fold out all his bluffs but then again hate to lose value on his Ax hands. Flatting here looks pretty strong as well.

This is close - your image is perfect for this position to get max value.
V is more likely to have Ax hands here so let's raise.
We're getting no more money off his bluffs givin anything you do here is scary to him.
Raise to $400~ and let the hand play it's self.
(I doubt he's raise your c bet here w 55 or A5 given his past w the made flush.)
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03-31-2014 , 03:34 PM
grunch: raise

this sucks with this position. if there flush wasn't there i'd just go into call-down mode (which again obviously works better in position). i'd raise to about 300 and shove any non-club turn. and i a club hits i may not fold... but i'd probably let the villain do the betting. i don't think i'd lay this down with your image and villain's previous showings. but i also don't want to let villain get away with drawing. i think even if villain has a worse hand he might hero-call you.
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03-31-2014 , 04:30 PM
given hh 2, he's not betting thinly/ likes to take showdowns , but he's thinking about the game. I wouldn't 3b flop. depending on his betsize ott u could crai.. or c/c turn and lead rivers
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03-31-2014 , 04:35 PM
The reason that I posted this hand here is because any action I take looks insanely strong. A flat with a lead on the turn looks like Ax. Plus i'll be in a tough spot from the SPR on club turns and club rivers with no chance to bet/fold. A flat with a check/raise on the turn allows his clubs to draw with the right price if it checks through and will probably not get stacks in unless he has Ax. A value bet to 320-350 and jamming all turns will get called by Ax and clubs, but folds out the pocket pair and bluff portion of his range. It will also give him the correct implieds to call with flush draws.

Any opinions on stuffing it in right here?
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03-31-2014 , 04:50 PM
almost no one continues bluffs otr in live poker @ 2/5. he's gonna check back almost all airballs/ missed clubs/ might even xb a weak Ax wondering what he's getting value from if he shoves river.

a flop 3b looks insanely strong. unless ur known as the local spew box i wouldn't do it. a turn lead, turn crai, or river lead does look strong. they know its strong but they don't have the discipline to fold. you 3b flop when the pot is still small, youre giving them a good reason to play right.

edit: when pots get big, and stacks get small, recs level themselves into doing dumb stuff all the time. if you flat the 3b, and crai almost all turns, he's gonna have a hard time folding clubs and Ax, and ur gonna get all the money in good.

fishes thinking vs a crai ott- I have trips, trips is a good hand. He could have clubs. I call.

I have clubs, he could have worse clubs!, maybe he has Ax but pot is big, I have outs to win, fu i call.

simple as that.

Last edited by Siculamente; 03-31-2014 at 05:09 PM.
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04-01-2014 , 11:16 PM
Raise to 275 and ship any turn. If clubs come I may consider check/folding. Depends on his action(s).

I doubt he's ever bluffing the flop with that size (if anything, semibluffing) And our image up to this point is perfect for this play if he's a decent/thinking player.

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04-01-2014 , 11:22 PM
Shove flop. V isn't folding an ace and probably ain't folding a FD after sticking in $225 already
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04-01-2014 , 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by wj94
Shove flop. V isn't folding an ace and probably ain't folding a FD after sticking in $225 already
I believe he raised to 165(?). Not 165 more(?).

Whoops. 225 including pre your saying.
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04-01-2014 , 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by HalSoo
I believe he raised to 165(?). Not 165 more(?).

Whoops. 225 including pre your saying.
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Yeah plus $60 preflop
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04-01-2014 , 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by wj94
Yeah plus $60 preflop
Hmm. I like it against good players... against rec players, it looks pretty damn strong. Up to this point hero has been raise folding. When he bets/raise all in, it looks like what he has, AJ+

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04-01-2014 , 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by HalSoo
Hmm. I like it against good players... against rec players, it looks pretty damn strong. Up to this point hero has been raise folding. When he bets/raise all in, it looks like what he has, AJ+

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Anything hero does looks strong on this board.
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04-01-2014 , 11:46 PM
Raise to 400, if he has an ace he will jam.

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04-02-2014 , 12:02 AM
With your image and his showdown monkey tendencies 3betting flop is clearly best. We can also discount flopped boats since fish tend to slowplay those, especially heads up and IP. As far as sizing goes I'd say $350 to leave a 1/2 psb for a turn shove.
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04-02-2014 , 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by daniel9861
With your image and his showdown monkey tendencies 3betting flop is clearly best. We can also discount flopped boats since fish tend to slowplay those, especially heads up and IP. As far as sizing goes I'd say $350 to leave a 1/2 psb for a turn shove.
I think this may have gotten the chips in. The big problem here is a club turn. He's folding all of his pps (if he has any shred of sense) or i'm value owning myself and making his call on the flop +EV for him. I'm in agreement with raising being the best line... Still on the fence between value raise and jamboree though.

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Originally Posted by wj94
Shove flop. V isn't folding an ace and probably ain't folding a FD after sticking in $225 already
Results: Hero jams. Apparently he wasn't folding a 88 either. luls.

Jamming worked and got his entire range to call. But I can't see it working vs. good players or bad players. (maybe just that grey area of medium skilled leakers.)
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04-02-2014 , 04:37 PM
You should feel v lucky he called it off with a med strength hand when he wasn't fully committed.

Still think waiting for the turn is better
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04-02-2014 , 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Siculamente
You should feel v lucky he called it off with a med strength hand when he wasn't fully committed.

Still think waiting for the turn is better
I know... that's why I posted this hand. I've been experimenting with overbetting obvious monsters recently under the right conditions and it's been working out in my favor. I'm starting to get a feeling that playing exploitably (sp?) against the lower and mid-level players is more +EV than keeping myself balanced. I know that exploitable play being profitable has been covered by other posters, I just never really used it too much since a lot of the tables I play at are half regs.
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