Vil in this spot is an aggro winning reg crusher. Applies a lot of pressure with 3bets and 4bets. Very aggro and capable post flop as well. I have probly ~20hrs or so experience with this guy. Always gives me trouble and I believe he perceives me to be tight and on the weak side.

Hero is effective stack @ $750 with both vils.

Vil opens UTG1 to 15
MP player flats 15
Hero in CO 3b to 65 with AKs
Sb player flats 65
Vil 4b to 240
MP fold.
Hero?

Sb Older guy maybe 55. Seems tight overall but a touch on the splashy side pre flop. No reads beyond that.

This is the second time I've 3bet at this table in about 90mins. I think his 4b range is going to be a little wide here with the sb flatting. I also think he knows I will have a 3b fold range and he may consider me to be too tight. Folding seems weak against this guy especially with the 3rd player's perceived dead money. Calling doesn't look great as we may end up 3ways in a massive pot with low SPR. Are we ripping it in?

Thanks

A tight player flats a 3 bet on the SB and I'm not 100% convinced that's dead money. Maybe if it was one of those dynamics where people were calling just about anything to see a flop.

Also, I envision V's range composed of [you're chopping], [you're flipping], and [you're losing], with a tiny bit of [you're ahead/he's making a move because he thinks you're both weak]. I would need much more history/info before I shoved this. (cannot call) I snap fold here.

If you're very rolled, are convinced SB is folding, and want to set up a future dynamic with V/ gambrooooo then shove.

I like it, yeah.

Does V really open for size normally?
Given description im shipping

Yes. He's been opening with the 15 sizing regularly.

If you can assign him a UTG 4-betting range of QQ+ AKo, leaning towards a fold. If this was CO vs. BTN I don't mind shipping, but your range looks super strong and villain 4 bet against not only your 3bet but SB flat also. Seems like you could find a better spot to GII IMO.

Nasty spot.

Disadvantaged positionally, I'd elim calling. If SB is aware of the dynamic, may be flatting hoping for a 4b from a player who does more often than others.

Additionally, $15 opens so I'd lean towards folding over shoving. You have position on him, be patient, stay the course.

I think it's important to understand that at that sizing, he's putting you in a fold/shove position and he knows that. I don't think that should be ignored.

You can't call, given blockers, SB call and the images you've spoken about it sure reads like this is a steal and you got a fist pump 5bet shove - at worst we're looking at a coin flip - which has lots of equity given the dead money. I would also be somewhat surprised if he called.

Think how wide your 3bet range is, think how little he wants to play a big pot OOP, I think he sized it to be able to fold to a jam but more often then not take it down.

There are very few instances where folding AKs pre is advisable, I don't think this is one of them. If he has aces, you gotta take those lumps, but given how unlikely that is, you really can't fold here very often expecting him to have AA or KK (when you block it) every time he 4bets from utg.

Bump.

+1. This is a pretty gross spot but think its a sigh fold.

Sigh fold for me with SB left to act behind you. If he's astute at all he may have been hoping for that 4b from V

Almost has to be +EV to jam. 150 bb’s deep i’d Think for minute to make sure I hadn’t missed anything obvious and i’d Let em fly.

ship

Meh im just folding, there’s no way this is a hugely +EV shove & it’s probably negligible EV. More likely than not even with dynamics i think this is a losing shove. Also the SB will have JJ+, AK here a lot and wont always fold, and it’s not like the UTG player is the only one we have to face. His sizing also looks more committing.

If he thinks you’re on tight & weak side that gives him some incentive to not go too crazy here even if he does have some semibluffs here (he will but probably not as much as you think)