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Originally Posted by Tomark
well I was thinking more along the lines of making a tiny 4!, like lets say I CIB to $240-275ish (with my entire range, which would presumably include AA). With a bet this small he might be baited into calling with QQ- and AK and seeing a flop OOP, and it seems like it would also put him in a tough position with his Axs and other bluffing hands, and he may even have to fold even with the bet being so small. It probably also manipulates his range such that I can fold to a ship.
Ah, this brings me back because CiBing as a range manipulation is one of the very first fancy plays I added to my repertoire way back in the pre-2010 PS 100nl days. So thanks for that
CiBing is an excellent way to manipulate ranges but presents other problems. In particular, it's not very effective to use as part of a bluffing strategy because it's going to garner very few immediate folds. As a result, you have to do this with a very linear range, so this is at least functionally different from the "4! small so you can have a bluffing range" plan you presented in the last post.
Also, you're inducing more calls, which is theoretically closer to optimal than how most live regs play this scenario (a bot calls your $325 raise a lot more than humans do), so it's hard to argue that you're really exploiting them by doing this. Of course, a bot is also doing it with a much less capped range (bots not only flat more, but raise less than humans in the face of a CiB, so you're more likely to run into KK+), so I again won't go so far as to say it's impossible to exploit this way, I'm just saying there are a lot of things to consider before applying the strategy.
I just think it's helpful to know that you have shoving in your back pocket as a guaranteed +EV play so long as they're squeezing at a given frequency; you can decide for yourself whether the complications that derive from deviating from that is worth what you're trying to achieve.