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2/5 AKo deep stacked against maniac who covers 2/5 AKo deep stacked against maniac who covers

12-08-2019 , 02:24 AM
Hero $2000 2/5 live

AKhh utg

Btn straddle $10

Sb and bb fold, hero raise to $35, maniac raises to $120, folds to hero, hero?

He has hero covered. He likes to bluff a lot and call down light. Likes the be the aggressor so he 3bet/folds often. Watched him call every street with 36o to river where he called a pot sized bet for $160 when he rivered a pair of 3s and was good. Seen him 3bet hands like 84o and other junk. Watched him COLD 5bet SHOVE PRE with ATo (4bet was $200, he shoved for $1600) and flop a boat. He doesnt always show bad hands though. Occasionally wakes up with a monster.

Do we flat pre and let him level himself if we hit? Or do we 4bet now and possibly take down the dead money?

I'll post more of the hand in a comment later
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12-08-2019 , 03:34 AM
I think there's merit to both lines being this deep vs described villain.

Since I'm oop I do prefer 4 bet though. I make it a cool $500.

But flatting I think is fine too as your hand plays pretty well.
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12-08-2019 , 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr Spyutastic
I think there's merit to both lines being this deep vs described villain.

Since I'm oop I do prefer 4 bet though. I make it a cool $500.

But flatting I think is fine too as your hand plays pretty well.
+1. Flatting a 3! deep OOP can’t possibly be printing money here but it’s whatever
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12-08-2019 , 08:05 AM
We are 400 blinds deep and villain is described as someone who is fully capable of 3 bet/folding alot, so i dont see massive value with a 4 bet here. Are we ready to felt 400 blinds pre with AK against this guy if it comes to that? How do we navigate in a massive bloater with roughly 700-1000 in the middle OOP against this guy with lot of money behind?

The guy is also described as someone who likes being the aggressor and barrell off.I flat here all things considered.
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12-08-2019 , 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Phraust
Watched him COLD 5bet SHOVE PRE with ATo
So 4bet to $500 and call jam.

He has AT-AQ which we crush. TT (99?)-QQ, plus AK which we flip, 3 combos of KK where were are a bit behind, and only 3 combos of AA which crush us.
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12-08-2019 , 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by FreeportMainePoker
So 4bet to $500 and call jam.

He has AT-AQ which we crush. TT (99?)-QQ, plus AK which we flip, 3 combos of KK where were are a bit behind, and only 3 combos of AA which crush us.
But he also has complete garbage that he will insta muck. We can maybe get more money in the middle by just flatting and playing out the hand. He 3bet folds a lot and although we take down what's in the middle already with a flat if we hit we can prob extract far more.
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12-08-2019 , 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Phraust
But he also has complete garbage that he will insta muck. We can maybe get more money in the middle by just flatting and playing out the hand. He 3bet folds a lot and although we take down what's in the middle already with a flat if we hit we can prob extract far more.
I completely understood your premise and my personal opinion is no, especially OOP.
If he has complete air that he is going to fold to a 3bet preflop you are printing money by expanding your 3betting range with your linear premium hands.
You can flat AA, KK, and all unsuited broadway against him and use them to call down with when you have a good pair and you want him to value own himself. And low pocket pairs have great IO to flat pre and set mine with this deep.
Muck all your low suited connectors and gappers as villain will make it too expensive to realize their equity.

Last edited by FreeportMainePoker; 12-08-2019 at 11:28 PM. Reason: Position
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12-08-2019 , 11:53 PM
I ended up flat calling.. although I do agree I should mostly take the 4bet route being OOP. I felt I was likely way ahead and could get him to value own himself. Against this player type he should know his image is pretty spewy/agro so a 4bet just sets alarms off that he's getting value owned. Since he plays aggressively when he feels he can bully I could probably extract far more by letting him be the aggressor. Although he's a maniac I don't think he's going to want to stack off with his 74o,93o,etc pre he could be spewing with and my hand can play pretty well post flop.

Flop ($257) K92cc

Hero checks, V bets $160, hero?
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12-08-2019 , 11:56 PM
Call.
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12-09-2019 , 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr Spyutastic
Call.
Hero calls

Turn ($577) 5s

Hero checks, V bets $220, hero?
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12-09-2019 , 12:09 AM
You just check call it down. Nothing else you can really do and hope he misses his draws and bluffs

Vs this player 4bet get it in pre 200 bb deep
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12-09-2019 , 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by djevans
You just check call it down. Nothing else you can really do and hope he misses his draws and bluffs

Vs this player 4bet get it in pre 200 bb deep
We are 400bb deep though. Unless you're just stating that's when we should GII pre

Last edited by Phraust; 12-09-2019 at 12:33 AM.
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12-09-2019 , 01:30 AM
Actually, with the straddle on we are 200bb deep. Happily making it 400 here and never folding pre vs this guy.

I like x/calling down and there is a real argument to be made to even x/raise blank rivers.
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12-09-2019 , 02:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Viral25
Actually, with the straddle on we are 200bb deep. Happily making it 400 here and never folding pre vs this guy.

I like x/calling down and there is a real argument to be made to even x/raise blank rivers.
Oh yeah good catch. I completely even forgot about the straddle. I ended up calling the turn as well.

River ($1017) Kx

Hero checks, V bets something smallish like $220 I believe, hero raises to $700 and V snap folds

Okay as played? Should I just be x/jamming the river? Based on the villain I figure he has an extremely weak hand from complete air to a smaller pair. I wanted a fishy "there's too much money in the middle to fold for that price" call by TT or something he may have. I felt a jam would push those hands out completely and he should never have Kx now. Can't put him on AA either.

Last edited by Phraust; 12-09-2019 at 03:01 AM.
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12-09-2019 , 08:31 AM
I'd just jam the turn as played, especially if there are now two flush draws. I am going to raise the flop too. I'd be fine stationing on a less dynamic board.
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12-09-2019 , 07:04 PM
He's never calling a raise to $700 that isn't also calling a jam.

He's ether calling or folding the raise no mater how big it is in this spot. Might as well try and win the max
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