10-handed local 240BB Max buy in game.
Villian is an semi-tight regular who often calls IP with some bad suited cards . Effective stack is $1.2k here. He also has a linear 3bet value range including AQ+, AJs,KQs, JJ+. Hero' image is a solid TAG.

Hero raises $20 with AdKs from UTG1, folds to villian who 3bets to $70 on BT. Hero was torn between 4beting and flating and flat calls anyways.

Flop($140): Ah 5d 5c. Hero checks, villian bets $90, hero calls.

Turn($320): Jh. Hero checks, villian bets $90, hero calls.

River($500): 3h. Hero? Donk bet river or check/call?
Do you guys insta 4bet preflop this 240 BB deep?

Routine check call.

Flatting pre is fine. I'd 4b suited combos all day, but this deep and given we got 3b after opening one of our tightest ranges (EP) there's a lot of incentive to call. The deeper you are, the less you want to 4b here. Like if you had 2k+, I'd even flat KK & 4b AA/AKs for value, mixing in some bluffs like A5s, and maybe 87s.

Flop and turn are standard, save for V's oddly small turn bet. Wouldn't really x/r turn thin though. We have no 5's and are hurting for FD combos as we'd fold them to the sizable flop bet. River is also a check imo. Based on turn sizing, he shouldn't be that strong, but he does have way more BD hearts than us and maybe some oddball 5x SCs. We never really get to the river nutted basically. I'd rather have him throw in a 3rd barrel bluff with some suited broadway or like TT-JJ than try to charge the weaker Ax he might have (which might value own itself sometimes).

Seems like a pretty clear check/call.

donk bet 50. snap call his all in.

This ^^^

Checkraising turn feels right.

What worse hands call?? Just AQ.

All the heart combos.

I would be surprised if V has more than two combos of hands with two hearts as played. It’s probably only KQhh and he isn’t always 3 betting that pre and isn’t always betting it on the flop.

It makes no sense for heart combos to “same bet” $90 OTT. That bet is either super nutted or pot controlling with worse Ax to check back river. I’m guessing the second.

easy c/c is easy

Only time I'm not 4-betting AK OOP for value is if I'm trying to trap or other weird game flow dynamic reasons.

Hand is well-played. Check/call river. If he bets big on river, it's a tougher decision. His turn bet was almost a blocking bet or a "set my price" bet. Raising it would be interesting, but he's not calling w/ much.

(Thanks for the neater post -- much easier to read/follow!)

We both checked down on river. He showed AQ.
I guess I lost a river bet like $150-$200. His same turn bet signals that we are far ahead of his range. C/R turn is definitely out of the question.

Exactly. c/r turn is pretty bad vs this regular. River donk bet seems a good option without losing value vs AQ combos.

That turn cost you some money. Regfish 2/5 guys always check back river here though because they suck, but you still have to check riv, but win a nice pot in the process. 4b pre though just wrecks guys like this, he probably folds AK and JJ and stuff.

He folds AQ and calls JJ+,AK IP if I 4bet pre here.

Perfect, then definitely keep AK in as a 4b.

What? He is folding worse hands and you think it should still be a 4 bet?

Missing the point. AK is just our worst 4b against this guy and we can likely wreck him post bc he’s too tight.

^Start 4betting AJs then. AKo plays pretty well as a call this deep.


Hand is well played. Yes, we missed a bet, not because of a poor decision, but because we are OOP. It happens.

Yep.

It really has to be viewed as a win overall. 2 streets post from a tight reg-type in a 3bet pot. Takes a cooler-type spot to make it happen, but it's most important to be the one with AK here.