Your perceived (and actual) range here should be pretty wide opening from the CO.
That means that he can 3bet a fairly wide range here and show a profit when you fold a good portion plus his actual equity on the flop/turn.

I'm either flatting depending on post flop reads on him or 4betting to $175.
Probably never folding. If opened from EP and he 3bet us from the blinds then I might pitch it.

You're telling me that you aren't opening some weak hands here? You're not opening ATo, KJo, KJs, when the pot is folded to you?
You're not opening like T9s, 98s, 33+, and a bunch of other stuff that you might folding to a 3bet?

That or I'm a total maniac in LP and I don't realize it..

^ Yes, I'm opening all those hands here obv. But that doesn't lead me to believe that a nit is simply going to 3b me oop here with weak hands too. Especially when both of us are here to get this fish's money.

Initially, I was inclined to fold, since if he has QQ here, he simply might c/f A/K high flops and I'm in terrible shape against AA/KK. But I felt it was too nitty to outright fold, so I considered the same 2 options as everyone.. 4bet or call..

4bet felt like slightly overplaying my hand against this player who has shown a tendency to be a little sticky preflop.. so I opted to just call..

Flop ($155) was KJ7r... V bet $110 into me... call

Turn ($375) is X.. V shoves for $315

Is there any X (turn card) we should be folding on?

I flat pre, I flat flop, i flat turn...

Q/ T are tricky turn cards for you both AQ and KQ complete...

He arrives at the turn with his full range... if he is somewhat balanced, based on your ranging he should jam turn a considerable amount with AQ. If he overdoes this you can call, if he doesn't jam AQ enough but jams KQ once in a while you are good too.. therefor on a Q or T turn you are guessing... nobody is fully balanced at 2/5 so you will rarely be good on those boards...

4bet an amount that he's not got the option to call and reevaluate on the flop. You 4bet has got to force him to shove or fold preflop. So 4bet $250 to make sure he cann call and reevaluate on the flop. This play will give hell to QQ, JJ,TT (and that is a big gain for us) and 99 down to 22. You are ahead of AQ or less. The only hands you worry about will be AA or KK and even there you got blockers. Play AK aggressively and make sure you see alll the 5 cards.

Having his 3-bet range crushed isn't a reason to 4-bet. If we expect him to play mostly straight-forwardly against our 4-bet, folding all of his bluffs and shoving with something like QQ+ and AK, then we should be far more inclined to flat and take a flop. If we expect him to 5-bet shove some of his bluffs, or to have a range heavy in pairs like 77-TT that he folds to a 4-bet, or flat hands like AQ to a 4-bet, then 4-betting can become better, but that seems optimistic at LLSNL.


If V is truly nitty, we can contemplate folding here even on blank turns, as we only have 24% equity against a range of AK, JJ, KK and AA and need 31%. We should definitely be folding on a Q turn since QQ is in his range as well and possibly KQ as well, and there really aren't any bluffs/semi-bluffs in his range anymore unless your read is way off.

But when we fold any turn cards after flopping TPTK, shouldn't we feel stupid to call the 3b pre in the first place? To me it does.

Well, if your read that he does not have a sb calling range but only a 3bet or fold sb range is true, 4bet/gii.
As played, call flop, call turn, either collect the pot or reload. Not much else you can do.

You guys know each other well. You are both tight. It is a 3bet pot. The question is, will he bet into you on a king-high flop if he cannot beat a king?

If the answer is yes, will he shove a blank turn after you called the flop? Pretty gutsy.

AKo is strong enough to 4-bet here. He's nitty, so he might fold hands as strong as JJ or 1010.

I don't know tbh.