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2/5 - AJs river decision and line check 2/5 - AJs river decision and line check

09-05-2016 , 11:40 AM
Reads: V1 is in his mid 20s and looks like a good LAG/TAG that understands the correct bluffing rates (he's shown a smallish bluff so far). I've only been at the table like 30 min with him but I can kind of tell whether someone has bluffing in their game by just looking at them (very hard to explain...it's kind of related to that post here recently about "what clothes do people who never bluff wear?" thread). V2 is a bad to decent LAG who I've played 2 previous sessions with. He seems new to poker but he seems to have no fear and isn't bothered by losing at all. He doesn't have transparent ranges, and he's aggressive. I felted him 2 sessions ago when we got it in pre (my AK vs his AJs) 100 BBs deep. He had 3-bet me preflop and I 4-bet shoved. His 3-bet frequency that session was crazy high, like 20 or 25% over 2 hours.

OTTH: Folds to V1 in the hijack and he makes it 20. V2 calls in the SB and I call with AJ in the BB. Pot is 60, I have 380 behind, V1 and V2 each have about 700 behind.

Flop: J108. V2 leads for 35. I call and V1 calls.

Turn: J1082. V2 leads for 65. I call and V1 calls.

River: J10827. Pot is 490 and I have 280 behind, both Vs cover. V2 leads for 65 again. I call and V1 shoves. V2 folds.

Call or fold? And line check on any street welcome.
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09-05-2016 , 12:53 PM
That's a prime spot for a bluff due to the sizing by V2 and you being squeezed in between. I think V1 likely still has you beat though with a higher overpair or 2p. Straight seems unlikely with his bet sizing.

As fas as your line is concerned, I'm ok with calling the flop but I'm generally raising that dry turn card and folding to re-agression. If I'm going to make a stand I'd much rather do it there to see where I'm at then to wait for the river where there's a lot of scare cards possibly coming.
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09-06-2016 , 12:55 AM
I think I might just fold the turn. V2 got called by two people including the pfr and isn't slowing down, and you still have V1 behind you. It's pretty easy to be drawing dead already.

I would fold to the river $65 despite the odds because I really think we're just almost never good, then fold to the jam. You may not even beat all of V1s bluffs as he could decide to turn something like QQ into a bluff on the river. V1 potentially has all J9s, T9s, 98s, A9s, 99 in his range, and some of his bluffs beat you.
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09-06-2016 , 06:12 AM
I would 3 bet pre here.

AP, fold.
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09-06-2016 , 09:59 AM
top off pre

then raise pre to 95

as played this is usually the 9
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09-06-2016 , 01:35 PM
I would 3bet pre.

Fold as played.

(Actually, I would have raised myself or folded to the $65 on the river -- you are a ping pong ball between two lags.)
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09-06-2016 , 01:40 PM
I'm fine with the line but the river has to be a fold.
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09-06-2016 , 02:53 PM
Think your line is fine (3 betting pre is good too), but fold vs the river raise. You're pretty low, if not at the near bottom of your call 65 otr range. Being squeezed in the middle, I'd flat the 65 a lot of the time with 9x. We'll have the upside of getting over called in addition to protecting our range.

So in terms of straights, we have 99, ~95s-A9s (39 potential combos) depending on how wide you're defending pre/bluff raising flop/value raising the $65 river bet.
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09-07-2016 , 09:44 PM
Just noticed HH might need clarification: The pot was 360 on the river before any betting, not 490. It was 490 after I called the 65 and before V shoved.

Results: I fold river and V shows a busted flush draw (ace high).

My thought process at the time in favor of folding: V should be bluffing less often than normal due to having to get through 2 players and also I'm allowed to fold more from a GTO perspective since the defending responsibility is split between me and the SB.

My thought process at the time in favor of calling: I'm getting 3.6-1 and V should be getting to the river with all 16 combos of KQ + many flush draws. Also V shoved on a weakish looking small bet which may indicate a bluff is more likely.
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09-07-2016 , 11:00 PM
Pre is fine.
Dunno why everyone wants to 3ball.
Flop is fine.
Turn is fine (given sizing)
River call the first time if good.
Second time has to be a fold.

But lol at results and now we know that V really isn't any good and we should adjust accordingly.
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09-08-2016 , 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by BenT07891
Reads: V1 is in his mid 20s and looks like a good LAG/TAG that understands the correct bluffing rates (he's shown a smallish bluff so far). I've only been at the table like 30 min with him but I can kind of tell whether someone has bluffing in their game by just looking at them (very hard to explain...it's kind of related to that post here recently about "what clothes do people who never bluff wear?" thread). V2 is a bad to decent LAG who I've played 2 previous sessions with. He seems new to poker but he seems to have no fear and isn't bothered by losing at all. He doesn't have transparent ranges, and he's aggressive. I felted him 2 sessions ago when we got it in pre (my AK vs his AJs) 100 BBs deep. He had 3-bet me preflop and I 4-bet shoved. His 3-bet frequency that session was crazy high, like 20 or 25% over 2 hours.

OTTH: Folds to V1 in the hijack and he makes it 20. V2 calls in the SB and I call with AJ in the BB. Pot is 60, I have 380 behind, V1 and V2 each have about 700 behind.

Flop: J108. V2 leads for 35. I call and V1 calls.

Turn: J1082. V2 leads for 65. I call and V1 calls.

River: J10827. Pot is 490 and I have 280 behind, both Vs cover. V2 leads for 65 again. I call and V1 shoves. V2 folds.

Call or fold? And line check on any street welcome.
like pre. not 3! here either.

on flop, i would seriously consider raising with an aim to get it in vs. SB here. flop is pretty wet and i think we can get it in ahead here a lot. v1 should have a hard time cold calling raise so you can continue in position ( and would probably fire it all in on that 2x turn)
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09-08-2016 , 11:31 AM
I would definitely raise this flop and go from there.
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09-08-2016 , 12:32 PM
grunch. I like the way you played flop + turn, don't think a raise makes sense with your holding.

On the river: you need to call 215 to win 620, so we need about 25% equity. (edit: just saw the mistake here, the pot is 490 so we need 30%).

I'm discounting sets, Q9, and JT because those would most likely raise flop. V1's flop calling range looks like: AA-QQ, AJ-QJ, AT-QT, 99, A9, flush draws sometimes, T9-76. Lots of gutters, pair + gs, single pairs, and FDs.

On the river, I doubt V is raising AA-QQ or even two pair for value. V has some 9s in his range: T9, 98, A9, 99, 97, 96s are all possible. However, V could easily be bluffing with an A through Q high FD, a bare Q, KQ, or FDs 8-high or lower. V's tiny river bet + your call makes your range look like a single pair which would encourage a bluff. Given that V could be shoving wide here, I think we have enough equity to call.
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09-08-2016 , 01:23 PM
Hero has like 75bb's against two LAGs holding TPTK. Flop is wet and V1's donkbet could include two pair+ as well as various draws and longshot straights. On the turn, I wouldn't mind putting the stack at risk, though it's high variance. Sure, there's a chance V2 is sandbagging or V1 has a monster with redraw, but I think we can take the chance with a short stack, safe turn card, and lack of strength being shown by either player.
River sucks. Nice bluff by V2.
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09-08-2016 , 03:19 PM
i like a raise ott given small sizing(65 into 165) from v1. Get value from hand like fd or pair +sd that won't call a bet otr. Also will make v2 fold out hands that have a lot of equity(hands like q10)
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