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2/5 AJs - KJ88r Facing Turn Bet After Flop X Around 2/5 AJs - KJ88r Facing Turn Bet After Flop X Around

03-26-2021 , 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by I'm Loose 33
I thought I explained my rational pretty well, but will try again. I am concerned the BB could be trapping as he is OOP and it is natural for him to check many of his strong hands for deception and also in order to gather more information on how strong our hands may be. If we just call, he can decide we are weak and he can raise with anything from a total bluff to AJ, QQ, AK, or A8. If he decides to just call behind us, we won't know where he is in terms of hand strength. He could be drawing cheap or have a strong made hand that he is letting us bet for him. We really want him out of the pot.

A min raise should indicate we have a stronger holding and we perhaps were in fact sandbagging the flop ourselves. He therefore can no longer call or raise with his middling hands such as draws or AJ and QQ. If he calls, he likely has at least KQ and maybe hands like AA, AK, KJ, KK, or A8.

Yes it seems counter-intuitive to raise into someone who may have you beat, but there are good sound reasons for doing it. We are re-opening the action to the CO, so BB can no longer call and close the action. He is now being squeezed between me and the CO. He now has to mostly fold his middle strength hands and only continue with his stronger hands as he has to fear CO or button does have an 8 or at least a K.

My raise should signify to the BB I have a strong K at minimum and I do not believe CO or BB has an 8. I am playing a small game of chicken. But, usually it will work. The BB will rarely call with his weaker hands and any call by him signifies he has our jack beat.

So, as I said originally, if BB calls we are done with the hand. The idea here is a min raise now may save us from calling a larger bet on the river. In many ways it is a play called buying the showdown. If no one has an 8, my raise will usually force everyone to check on the river, unless they can beat trip 8's. So even a better 2 pair such as KJ or AA can no longer bet for value on the river.
When someone calls pre and then checks twice don’t worry he is trapping.
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03-26-2021 , 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by I'm Loose 33
I am not learning here, I am teaching
I have been supplementing my income by playing poker for 20 years, at times being my only source of income. I teach when I can and learn the rest of the time.

Frankly, I think you're being very arrogant! I've read many of your posts and, like others, I disagree with your analysis in multiple spots.

Well, I'll agree with one thing you said ... you're clearly not learning here.
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03-26-2021 , 09:21 PM
Yes I am being a little arrogant I will concede that. Glad someone noticed. That was intentional. Love to get people like you in a live cash game so I can table talk you into making some really bad hero calls when I put you on tilt.

I in no way think I am good enough to be "teaching" for money. I am trying to inject a little more conversation and depth of discussion into strategy than what I have generally seen on this forum. Most of what I read here is just I would call because the opponent is a fish or I would fold because he is a tight regular or I would call because of pot odds.

Often there is way too much focus put on describing our opponent as if our read on the opponent is relevant in every hand or that we can always come to a correct decision based upon stereotyping our opponent. Yes this is a very important part of the game. But rather than saying my opponent is a MAWG who plays passive, lets go beyond this and say more specifically he opens too wide from early position or defends wide against a three-bet. How do we plan on exploiting this particular villain generally and how will that influence which decision we make post-flop? Will he bluff too much if we check or call too much with middle and bottom pair? If he is passive, we may be able to get some free cards with our draws or bottom pair hands to beat him.

Anyway, I generally love some controversy and will often play devil's advocate in most conversations. Not saying I am doing that here. I generally think my advice is usually sound. But my arrogance was intentional.

I will take all of your group comments under consideration. But I think the proof is in the pudding. Most of my reads have been spot on. This example was no exception. Now, had others advocated we continue to check call because they felt we were likely ahead and we wanted him to keep betting with his worse king, then that is a reasonable strategy. But most were saying we are likely beat but we call anyway. That mentality is not a good strategy.
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03-26-2021 , 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by I'm Loose 33
But rather than saying my opponent is a MAWG who plays passive, lets go beyond this and say more specifically he opens too wide from early position or defends wide against a three-bet. How do we plan on exploiting this particular villain generally and how will that influence which decision we make post-flop? Will he bluff too much if we check or call too much with middle and bottom pair? If he is passive, we may be able to get some free cards with our draws or bottom pair hands to beat him.
Over 90% of the hand histories posted on this forum are because the OP doesn't have this level of information. If the OP had this information, they wouldn't need to make a thread.

That is why you don't see many long time regulars post hand histories.
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03-28-2021 , 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by I'm Loose 33
I am not learning here, I am teaching. I have been playing professionally for six years now - meaning I have no other source of income and I am a very successful small to medium stakes player. In both of my last two sessions, I bought in for 400 and cashed out for 2600 both days.
The fact that you felt that it was relevant to your credentials as an experienced professional player to declare that you had back to back wins for $2k, really just tells the experienced players in the room the opposite of what you intended.

The arrogance is annoying, yes. Please stop.
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04-03-2021 , 06:34 AM
Flop is actually a cbet, not a check. If we dont improve at all then we check both turn and river. River is a check back under every circumstance besides trip Jacks/flush. This way we tax the draws, get value from stations, and feign owning ourselves vs a king.

And definitely not raising turn. Never pay for information.
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