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12-08-2017 , 03:48 PM
Both Hero and V had around $2300 (460bb) before this hand. Both players are LAG rec with some history. H has caught few huge bluffs in recent sessions with V.

Preflop - H open $15 with AsQc in HJ, V 3bet $55 from btn, H just called. Heads up to the flop. Pot $110

Flop - Ac5c4h, H check-call $45. Pot $200

Turn - Qh, H check again, V bet $165, H just called. Pot $530

River - 2s, H donk $285, V checked H's stacks, thought for a while, and raised to $675. H better call or fold??? H felt he is beat as the size is rarely a bluff. Is there any better play H could do in previous streets?
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12-08-2017 , 04:11 PM
I'd consider leading out on turn. As played can't fold, especially given the price.
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12-08-2017 , 05:10 PM
I would agree to lead out on the turn. With top two what does he have you beat with? He's 3.5X for a 3 bet with 2,3suited? pocket 4's or 5's on the button against you? I would think doubtful at best.

You could run into A's but I personally wouldn't see that with the line.

I would think most likely AK, or A4suited, A5 suited, maybe on outside shot of a weird flush draw that missed. Ax of Hearts? Both of those take a similar line to this. I don't think he wanted you to call the turn with his sizing.

I would lead turn around $125. If you chose to check at that point I would have probably raised. There are so few combos that have you beat.

With the river I still don't see how he has a 3 in his hand unless it is exactly Ah, 3h. With only a few hands that beat you, and all seem unlikely I think you have a must call.
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12-08-2017 , 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerPrince
I'd consider leading out on turn. As played can't fold, especially given the price.
If we lead the turn, how do you think about the sizing, if V called, what is the river action you'd prefer?

Thanks,
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12-08-2017 , 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by akwedeen
I would agree to lead out on the turn. With top two what does he have you beat with? He's 3.5X for a 3 bet with 2,3suited? pocket 4's or 5's on the button against you? I would think doubtful at best.

You could run into A's but I personally wouldn't see that with the line.

I would think most likely AK, or A4suited, A5 suited, maybe on outside shot of a weird flush draw that missed. Ax of Hearts? Both of those take a similar line to this. I don't think he wanted you to call the turn with his sizing.

I would lead turn around $125. If you chose to check at that point I would have probably raised. There are so few combos that have you beat.

With the river I still don't see how he has a 3 in his hand unless it is exactly Ah, 3h. With only a few hands that beat you, and all seem unlikely I think you have a must call.
I put him exactly as you did, and maybe some crazy bluff hands he could have, the reason I checked the turn is V is definitely capable triple barrels a huge pot, so I'd prefer him to keep betting with any holdings. I did call the river, and actually I was planning to call up to a 3x raise on the river.
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12-08-2017 , 05:25 PM
I guess 22, 33, 44, 55, and A3 have you beat. I think you have to call your hand is somewhat weak looking from your line - maybe villain has AQ. What does he raise with that YOU beat?
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12-08-2017 , 05:28 PM
Agree, I ended up calling even I think I was beat. V showed a hand which is absolutely making sense, but I would never put him on. He had 6d3d.
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12-08-2017 , 05:33 PM
I'm missing that you are actually a LAG. Why aren't you betting this flop?

If you are going to fall into a "rope-a-dope" strategy, you need to follow it to the end. Check the river. All your bet said was, "I can beat TP. Please pay me off." You allow him to play perfectly.
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12-08-2017 , 05:36 PM
Pre flop and turn are well played imo. Keep his Ax and random air in, and vs AK we can get 2 streets of value regardless of how the action goes.

I really dislike the river lead. When we check he can spew off with air and missed FD's, if we succesfully bluffcaught him in previous hands, why stop now? Catching bluffs here will likely compensate for the few times he checks back AK.

Also, the top of his range is way stronger than ours, which essentially makes this lead a blockerbet. Most good players are either gonna fold or raise to such a bet, and we don't like either result.

AP, we are at the top of our range and if villain has shown the capability to make risky bluffs, we can't really fold.
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12-08-2017 , 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Viral25
Pre flop and turn are well played imo. Keep his Ax and random air in, and vs AK we can get 2 streets of value regardless of how the action goes.

I really dislike the river lead. When we check he can spew off with air and missed FD's, if we succesfully bluffcaught him in previous hands, why stop now? Catching bluffs here will likely compensate for the few times he checks back AK.

Also, the top of his range is way stronger than ours, which essentially makes this lead a blockerbet. Most good players are either gonna fold or raise to such a bet, and we don't like either result.

AP, we are at the top of our range and if villain has shown the capability to make risky bluffs, we can't really fold.
The reason I lead the river is that I thought if he actually had any hand with showdown value (AX, KQ or even a mid pocket pair), it would be a check-check on the river, as there are so many miss draws, and a scary 2 on the river (I think I could have 22, 33, A3s more in my range than him). He knows he wouldn't be bluff me away if I had a two pair + hand. But my bet on the river could get value from these hands like (AK, A5, or AX). Even he had set, I thought he was more likely to call than a raise. My bet is kind of a blockerbet in this scenario. We both are super deep, on the river we still have 2k behind, I also don't want to see if I checked river which I showed too much weakness, and face a 2x or even 3x pot bet with totally air, then I have to fold.
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12-08-2017 , 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by venice10
I'm missing that you are actually a LAG. Why aren't you betting this flop?

If you are going to fall into a "rope-a-dope" strategy, you need to follow it to the end. Check the river. All your bet said was, "I can beat TP. Please pay me off." You allow him to play perfectly.
Sorry I may not understand your point, why do you think we should donk on the flop, just b/c we play LAG?

On the river, I agree the bet is too straight forward. So you think I should check-call the river?
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12-08-2017 , 06:11 PM
As played seems to be a straightforward river call. He could have the same hand. And your calling 390 to win $1490. Its an insane price.


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12-08-2017 , 07:22 PM
I'd just x/r turn, most people flat 44-55, you block his top sets that you don't have, A4-A5 AK can pay you off, and you have some combo draws with little or no sdv. If xc turn if always x river and raise a small bet and call a big one
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12-09-2017 , 02:32 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerNoob@
The reason I lead the river is that I thought if he actually had any hand with showdown value (AX, KQ or even a mid pocket pair), it would be a check-check on the river
Just because he's likely to check back doesnt mean he's going to call a bet though. You really think someone is going to call a river donkbet with 99 on a AQxxx board? You dont really want to give him room to make a larger bet because if he does anything besides call you then you're 100% ****ed. It doesnt matter how bluffy he's been, nobody makes a bluff like this.

The reality is he has the initiative and seems to like his hand so let him keep betting, this way you can comfortably just call his 3rd barrel instead of setting yourself up for failure.
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12-09-2017 , 11:57 AM
If you had to chose between raise and fold I would rather raise for value than fold.

It`s a super easy call. Villain is repping only AA/QQ/AQ and should have like zero other value hands in his range. I would check river and then r/f to like 860.

In general:

raise turn to 550 ish and ship on this brick river.
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12-09-2017 , 12:40 PM
With the pot size i would call but the fact is there is no reason to bet river.
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12-09-2017 , 05:59 PM
C/c river. Leading the river makes no sense. If he is bluffing, then let him keep bluffing.
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12-09-2017 , 07:02 PM
I think this is a fairly standard call on the river. The main hands that villain could have which beat us are AA, QQ, and A3s (6 combos). I think that villain wouldn't 3bet 55, 44, or 22 against you, but I guess it's possible. I think C/r the turn would be great, put his hands like AK, AJ or club draws and the occasional 76 in a tough spot. As played I think it's a river call as villain would probably fold AK to a jam, so you would only get called by worse, and villain can have a lot of missed flush draws which would play this way.
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12-09-2017 , 09:00 PM
4b or fold pre
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