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2/5 AA top set on 3tone flop 2/5 AA top set on 3tone flop

08-07-2013 , 12:38 PM
Hero(MP): Games just started for a while, $420 chips

MP1: (covers hero) played heads up .25/.50 with hero for a while before game start for fun. Likes to call down hero in that game. Solid aggressive player.

Hero is dealt AdAs

($2/$5)
UTG+2 limps, hero raises $20, MP+1, CO, BB, UTG+2 calls.

Flop Ac2c5c (5 handed, pot$100)

checks to hero, hero bets $60, MP1 raises to $160, folded to hero with about $340 left and wonders what to do.
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08-07-2013 , 12:43 PM
Raise more pf

does he ever do this as a bluff? Or.with a lower set?

You are short enough and there its enough dead money in the pot that stacking off here is fine.

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08-07-2013 , 12:54 PM
Agreed. Just get it in. PFR is fine around 20, maybe 25 since your in EP.

Sometimes people will get it in with worse such as a pair + Kc, 2 Pair, lower sets. When you get it in behind vs a made flush you have decent equity to boat up.
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08-07-2013 , 01:20 PM
Hero counted the chips, needs 38% to shove, has no fold equity, thinks a solid player won't bluff raise naked Kc 5 handed, figured out he only has 34% against a flush or 34 and fold. I was quite confident on the spot.

Now I'm not so sure about my read, because if he has a bluff even just 10-15% of the time, I should call.
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08-07-2013 , 01:28 PM
I would at least call the $100. Even against a flush you're almost getting the right price in immediate odds (3.2:1), never mind implied odds (5.6:1).

It's possible this player has 55, 22, or AhKc (7 combos) and you're ahead.
I would discount 43 quite a bit, though sure, it's possible.
If he has a lower flush he may check behind a 4th club on the turn.

I would not fold. It's a choice between shove and call.
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08-07-2013 , 02:00 PM
Agree here with Man of Means. Never fold here. You have 7 outs on the turn and are getting 3.2:1 on your money to see the next card, with great implied odds if you hit it. There is a small chance you are ahead which makes up for the difference between your odds of winning the hand at showdown and the pot odds.

Also it is less likely that he has the nut flush here, as he would be calling instead of raising to let you see a free card when he as the nuts, not knowing you have a set and thinking he is a huge favorite already. This makes it more likely he will check if a 4th club comes out giving you a free card to hit your boat.
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08-07-2013 , 02:46 PM
most made flushes in this spot don't shove flop. What they typically like to do is to peel one off and then shove non- turns.

Hands that like to get it in on flops on boards like this are typically AK type hands

I hate spots like these flopping sets on monotone boards, but for under 100bb and us already getting significant money in on the flop... If we can say that V takes the above line with KXx even just 10% of the time or has a set here 10% of the time then we can easily get it in here.

So this is a sigh-shrug-one-time-Mr. Dealer-if-you-please-shove
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08-07-2013 , 03:25 PM
Charlie, why are you eliminating 22 and 55 from villain's range? (I mean, if you think he has 43 then he has 22 and 55).

Just shove.

Flatting is bad (because, what are we going to do if a fourth flush card hits the turn? check it down? ck-fold? both are bad. What is villain going to do when fourth flush card hits -- he'll probably just play ~perfect by folding many hands we beat but continuing with flush).

Folding is bad because villain could easily have lower set, overcards with one club, or some type of combo draw.

I'm assuming his flop raise indicates his willingness to get stacks in, so do it with a TON of equity.

(edit: and FTR, I see villains get stacks in here with one pair and no club all the time, because they are sure you're betting a flush draw)
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08-07-2013 , 04:12 PM
I have made it my policy to basically never fold flopped sets. Get it in.
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08-07-2013 , 04:53 PM
My first instinct tells me to just check/call the flop.(that just seems bad though)
I would lead pot to make the Kc and Qc pay a true price.After villain raises you i think its an easy fold..dont think villain would raise you as a bluff or even a nut draw with 3 people left to act. If you call the flop your playing for stacks unless a club peels and Shoving might be better than callling but im in a hurry and really cant decide.Probly only flushes call a shove
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08-07-2013 , 11:16 PM
$25-$30 pre with limper. As played, snap get it in otf after that dude you played .25/.50 Facebook credits with raise otf.
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