Brand new table and max buyin is $500 so everyone has around that. In the first few hands I've raised in MP and taken down the blinds, 3bet squeezed several players out of the BB and took it down pre, and now this is the next hand with me in the SB.

V1 ($500) - 60 year old reg who plays 2/5-5/10 NL and PLO. Not an old man coffee but definitely not aggro. The other day he open limp/called my button raise from the HJ with JTs and played pair+FD super passively. I've seen him stab at small to medium sized pots though.

V2 ($500) - 50 years old. Never seen him but he's at least a semi-reg as he knows several players. Seemed agitated with my squeeze the hand prior.

Hero ($550) - mid-20s wearing normal clothes. V1 probably views me as a competent TAG.


Preflop: V1, V2 and V3 (irrelevant) limp from MP. Hero raises to $35 from the SB with AA. BB folds and all three villains call.

Flop: Q52 ($145)
Hero leads $100. V1 and V2 both call taking ~5 seconds. V3 folds.

Turn: 8 ($445)
Hero? (Effective stacks are $365)


As I'm sure others will agree, I like $45 pre and $125 OTF more but whatever. If we bet OTT I assume it's all in but I just can't imagine getting called by worse, maybe KQx. Maybe something dumb like bet $100 again to get calls from Qx and call it off if someone jams?

I also have questions for two different scenarios:

1. Hero checks turn. V1 bets $200, V2 folds. Hero?
2. Hero, V1 and V2 all check turn. River is 8. Hero?

If V1 bets turn, I fold. Hes betting into 2 players.
If all check turn, and river pairs, I'm probably checking again.
Qx hands are all checking the river as well.
Flushes and boats are the only hands i can see betting the river.

For #1 I seriously consider check folding if u think he's never betting qj, kq, aq here even if he picked up a spade draw on turn. 34 is the only real draw that didn't get there and u only have 7 outs against a flush with one card to come. For #2 I'm betting 200-250 and calling it off against a shove. Great river for u as u now beat all two pair hands. Plus u probably have the best hand. I guess u could bet like 150 and fold to a raise if Nobody will bluff u

Obv check turn, worse is never betting turn, especially in massive multi-way pots, on the river if it bricks in scenario #2, ehhh idk, might bet to get real thin value, but I'd prolly just check again personally. Being oop in these big multiway pots with 1 pair type hands just really sucks, unavoidable in this hand, but is just a sucky situation

Not that it makes much of a difference but V1 has zero two pairs in his range. I suppose V2 could but he certainly didn't strike me as the super loose type to limp 52s, Q2s, etc (this based off the 6 hands I've played with him lol). And ya, I'd be shocked if I lead river and one of them bluff raised me.

Shoving puts the pressure on them. I think the turn card is great for us..
However shoving now gives v $375 into $800ish pot
If v can fold out all but 2nd - 3rd nuts I'm jamming other wise practicing pot control ott.
A cheap river would be great (unless you can take down the pot w/o showdown right now)

Ya, definitely larger pre.

Just c/f against this line up unless the bet made is tiny

If it checks through I'd b/f smallish otr. No one will bluff raise you but could easily slow play a flush ott.

I would never turn out hand into a bluff and try and fold out better here. No flush is ever folding.

Preflop is fine, I might have gone $40-45 being OOP after a few limpers but not that big of a difference. Flop is fine with roughly a PSB to charge for draws and Qx hands.

If you had the nut flush you probably wouldn't just shove turn since there are two players in the hand, but one of them could obviously be on a FD here. Still, the only realistic flush combos that either of them can have are KJss, KTss, J9ss, 9Tss, 97ss, 76ss, and maybe 64ss.

Since check/folding this hand is just so weak with less than a PSB left, you can't really fold to a shove with a redraw to the nuts. I would probably bet $200 on the turn and call a shove, and if one or both of them just call, shove any river card. You've got AA with a nut redraw and only 100bb to start the hand, so there isn't much to think about. If one of them caught it, then you'll just have to hope for the last spade or pay it off. This would be a much tougher spot if you did not have the A

I like the 2nd line you recommended of $45 preflop and $125 on flop. As played though...I'm checking the turn to exercise some pot control...if checked thru then betting for value about $175-$190 on river for value.

In your scenario 1...folding if V1 bets out $200 on the turn, can only see him betting out here with a flush and you do not have odds to call to hit your flush on river.

In scenario 2....already described in 1st paragraph.

Bet 180$ should freeze him ott, shove river.

I like the $45 PF since you just pulled the same move. Pulling the same move twice makes villains want to call you and play back at you, even if you have a pretty good hand.

Snap calls usually mean draws, and there isn't many draws that didn't get there. I have a hard time believing V1 has a KQ or AQ type hand, whereas those are the hands I'd expect more from V2. I feel it's more likely that V1 has some draw or set type of hand, but the pot is so large that we're close to pot committed. I would check since there honestly is not a card in the deck that comes that I would hate (except a Q) OTR. Now, if someone bets at you, it's close. In game, a shove from either one and I probably talk myself into calling (which is probably a leak) but away from the felt, it's probably closer to a fold.

Scenario 1: V1 betting $200, giving you $200 into $645 (3.2 to 1), I'd call to see a river card. He is the one most likely to have you beat, but if he does have you beat we have outs and if he does have a KsQx or something like that then we're far ahead. If the river is a blank, however, we'd have to x/c because we're pot committed.

Scenario 2: I bet $250, a nice solid value bet. Any flush HAS TO bet this turn, and we would have heard noise from any set. A bunch of Qs will call since the 8 is such a good river card for the Qx hands. If shoved upon (that would be highly unexpected), fold. I say fold because that line would be a set waiting to make a full house on a flush draw board getting there. I don't think any naked Qx hand pulls that move.