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01-12-2020 , 12:28 AM

Phraust

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Hero $1100 2/5 live

Utg+1 AdAs

Hero raise to $20, utg+2, CO, btn, BB call

Flop ($100) 8c9c9x

Bb check, hero check, utg+2 bets $80, btn call, hero?

Utg+2 has about $230 behind and btn has hero covered.

Utg+2 is an older man, prob in his 70s, btn is loose and fishy.

Feels like it's better to check than bet being that we are 5 handed to the flop and this should smash someones call range. I dont want to bloat the pot, unless maybe I should bet/fold. But not sure how to proceed, the bet is pretty big and he got a caller. Folding seems nitty, but idk about calling either. Any Q, 7, 8, or club is going to be hard to continue on the turn and we are OOP

Last edited by Phraust; 01-12-2020 at 12:40 AM.

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01-12-2020 , 02:11 AM

QuadJ

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This is the sort of situation where I've saved a lot of money by making a nit fold on the flop. If you are ahead your probably facing one or more draws and it's very possible that somebody has a 9. If your ahead your not way ahead and if your behind your crushed. Plus UTG+2 is short enough that sticking around pretty much commits you to the pot.

It's annoying when somebody bet TT and the other guy turns up with 87. But your more likely to be facing AcTc and T9 when there is action on this sort of flop.

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01-12-2020 , 02:15 AM

Mr Spyutastic

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Yeah I think check call is fine here 5 ways.

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01-13-2020 , 02:41 AM

Nozsr

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Forgive the following critical observation.

Clearly making it $20 was not enough.

Hard to tell if we just sat down in this game, but if we've been there a while we should have a feeling what it would take to get this heads up.

If it goes five ways for $20 we would have been better off limping and hoping to reraise.

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01-13-2020 , 07:23 AM

Badreg2017

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Bet or check call is fine. +2 shouldn’t have much 9x and can easily be betting worse for value. BTN is wide as hell.

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01-13-2020 , 12:14 PM

samo

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As played, call.

Looks like +2 has an over pair, BTN obv much wider. If you think BTN would raise 9X most of the time, I might consider X/R +2, putting him AI.

Probably balancing betting and checking flop, most of the time Xing.

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01-13-2020 , 12:21 PM

Javanewt

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W/o knowing more about the players, I nit fold. It's just not worth it. All we really want to see on the turn is an A.

As others have said, I'd go higher pre-flop.

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01-13-2020 , 12:48 PM

sevendeuce4evr

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$20 preflop? Surprised not a family pot

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01-13-2020 , 01:58 PM

Fluffy68

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Jam

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01-13-2020 , 06:56 PM

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Phraust

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Originally Posted by sevendeuce4evr

$20 preflop? Surprised not a family pot

Not sure why you think a 4x raise is too small. No offense but something tells me you dont play 2/5. I can see being OOP making it $25 would be fine. Just because I got 4 callers this time doesnt mean i get 4 callers everytime. Usually its 1 or 2. In 1/2 you will see many 7.5x or bigger raises and that is bad play.

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01-13-2020 , 07:19 PM

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NuklearWinter

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UTG+2 is not that likely to have a 9 in his range. He's mostly betting pocket pairs or flush draws.

1) why is he betting 80% of pot here with 9x?
2) he was the first caller to your EP raise, so I wouldn't think there's a lot of 9x here, mostly just pocket pairs and broadway connectors.

BTN is more weighted towards 9x+ than UTG+2 imo

That said I think you still have to call and evaluate. Folding is way too weak.

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01-13-2020 , 07:45 PM

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c0rnBr34d

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Originally Posted by Phraust

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Originally Posted by NuklearWinter

+1 to both of these.

My 2/5 games play the same. With no limpers it's super common to open 4x in EP. 1/2 and 1/3 are different. It's worth noting to ask if the table is playing more like a 1/2 forcing opens to size up but it should not be assumed.

With current reads I also think x/c is best OTF.

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01-13-2020 , 08:39 PM

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Javanewt

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My problem with calling on the flop is that vs. even slightly decent 2/5 players, our hand is pretty face up. We are very likely facing a bet on the turn. Aside from an A, what other card do we want to see? Are we just calling down blanks? We also still have BB behind us, although I assume that's moot.

Are we betting blank turns? Check/calling again? Same on river?

I understand that folding is weak. If these players suck and will check down, only bet with the nuts, never bluff, etc., go for it, but I don't like it.

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01-13-2020 , 09:27 PM

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Phraust

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Originally Posted by Javanewt

This is where my head was at. If I'm calling and reevaluating on the turn then are we just folding to a jam of anything but an Ace or 9 from +2? He doesnt have much behind so I feel like we need to make the decision before we call the flop if we are going with our hand no matter what on blank turns. Otherwise we are probably torching money. Odds are if we call +2 is jamming because SPR.

Do we call the flop then call a jam on blank turns as long as btn folds? Or do we just give up here?

Folding seems really nitty as there are many worse hands that can still be involved. But I think the turn decision needs to be made on the flop.

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01-14-2020 , 02:39 AM

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RoadtoPro

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Snap folding OTF 5 ways. We’re capped at AA and everyone knows it

And yeah, checking 100% of boards 5 ways OOP is pretty much mandatory

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01-14-2020 , 08:56 PM

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TheToastrOven

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Originally Posted by RoadtoPro

Snap folding OTF 5 ways. We’re capped at AA and everyone knows it

Y'all are a bunch of nits. 1-We're definitely not capped with AA, and 2-we shouldn't be folding to a single bet unless "loose and fishy" btn is never calling without a 9 and/or combo draw.

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01-14-2020 , 09:27 PM

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PokerPlayingGamble

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I wouldn't have minded a peel, if we had gotten a better price. But with the pot ballooning rapidly out of control, and with an inability to protect my hand on future streets (because the pot has ballooned out of control) I am folding. I'll put the money in when I know I'm good, not when I'm blindly hoping that nobody played a nine in a single raised pot. Flop play seems highly read dependent as well.

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