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2/5 - AA facing raise on super wet board, 150bbs deep 2/5 - AA facing raise on super wet board, 150bbs deep

03-11-2015 , 11:52 AM
Local 2/5 underground game. Small player pool, so everybody knows everybody pretty well.

Villain (MP) - White guy, late 20's/early 30's. Prefers tournaments to cash games. Used to play very LAG but appears to have reigned it in a good bit over the past few months. Still plays draws aggressively and can be spewy in big pots.

Hero (UTG+1) - White guy, early 30's, super tight/nitty image. Stacked villain in two big pots within the past two weeks - once with KK vs. QQ preflop, once with KQ on a QQ38 board when villain check/raised the flop with TT and then check/called off on the turn. $750 effective stacks.

On to the hand:

UTG limps, Hero makes it $30 with AA, Villain calls and the CO calls.

Flop ($95): T87
Hero cbets $60, Villain makes it $185, CO folds. Hero ???

I feel like this is a pretty crappy spot, and to be honest I got kinda lost as to what to do from here. I think villain can show up with a draw here a lot, but he can have J9s, T8s, 87s, and sets in his range as well. I don’t think villain is playing an overpair this way very often, but I guess it’s possible.

What should we do on the flop, and what's our plan for the rest of the hand if we continue on?
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03-11-2015 , 12:27 PM
Fold as played. You are either flipping against T9, 89, combo draws, etc or crushed against sets, two pairs, and straights.

Usually bet fold these flops but against a guy who will raise with T9, 98, combo draws AND two pairs+, check calling flop and reevaluating is much better.
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03-11-2015 , 06:47 PM
On the flop, OOP, checking or betting are both good. I prefer betting.
You have to think about your opponents preflop calling range and how that connects with the board. It basically hits a LOT of their pre flop calling range.

As played, I can easily fold here. We profit from making easy decisions.

If your'e considering calling:
Your'e OOP against an aggressive opponent, whose preflop calling range just hit every every 2 pair/set/straight/straight draw and some flush draw combos. He obviously isn't raising with air.
That means tough decisions in the future, without the lead, against an aggressive opponent, whose range hits hard, and OOP.
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03-11-2015 , 07:13 PM
Fold and note
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03-11-2015 , 08:29 PM
Do we really think villain is calling 30 pre flop with 108s and j9s here against mcnitty?

If he is, he is also calling with A10s, K10s, Q10s, J10s, A8s, 109s, 89s, A7s, A9s. Throw in a few copies of over pairs, too.

I agree it's a tough spot to play but I don't know if we can just throw the aces away here. I would probably fold but feel bad about it after.

What effect, if any, would us having the Ac have?

Last edited by Joee; 03-11-2015 at 08:53 PM.
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03-11-2015 , 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Joee
Do we really think villain is calling 30 pre flop with 108s and j9s here against mcnitty?

If he is, he is also calling with A10s, K10s, Q10s, J10s, A8s, 109s, 89s, A7s, A9s. Throw in a few copies of over pairs, too.

I agree it's a tough spot to play but I don't know if we can just throw the aces away here. I would probably fold but feel bad about it after.

What effect, if any, would us having the Ac have?
It would make this spot more of a fold because we would then block the NFD.
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03-11-2015 , 09:08 PM
IP I like calling OOP think its a fold. We have too many bad turn cards to continue
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03-11-2015 , 09:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joee
Do we really think villain is calling 30 pre flop with 108s and j9s here against mcnitty?

If he is, he is also calling with A10s, K10s, Q10s, J10s, A8s, 109s, 89s, A7s, A9s. Throw in a few copies of over pairs, too.

I agree it's a tough spot to play but I don't know if we can just throw the aces away here. I would probably fold but feel bad about it after.

What effect, if any, would us having the Ac have?
I wish we had more info about table dynamics. If the villain is LAG I believe villain calls with as crap a hand as T7s if he thinks the blinds are calling. He then has position and its a good hand to win a big pot vs a big p/f hand (nit raising from early position) and/or to play multiway.
He still seems loose imo if he's willing to get it all in with hero (nit) holding QQ preflop deep stacked in the past......

Ac to me makes it slightly more likely he has a made hand.

Also it would help to know whether villain is a winning or at least a thinking player capable of putting hero on ranges. If so, he knows hero's range includes AK and AQs as well as overpairs, yet he elects to raise.

He could also be going nuts with TPTK or TPGK type hands. Hero said he is spewy in big pots. But decisions will be very difficult on future streets. I have a feeling this guy bets the turn with a made hand, or checks the turn and gets 2 cards after his flop raise is he is drawing.

Are we calling a turn bet?
Do we want our opponent to see 2 cards?
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