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2/5 AA on bad turn card deep 2/5 AA on bad turn card deep

07-08-2017 , 09:30 PM
Hero - $1700 - made a few moves in my 5 hour session, but no one caught them yet, so I probably look like i'm playing face up. I've been ether check/folding or calling with a hand that is usually good - or has a ton of equity.

Villain - $1100 - He isn't "terrible" but he did call pre flop with 74o in the BB when I made it $20 with AJo and won a decent sized pot off me when the flop came Ad4c4d and he got me for 2 streets and jammed river. I only saw his hand because there was a fish with like $50 who tossed his money in on the flop as well so he had to show to win the side pot.

Rest of the table seems pretty bad, so i'm happy to play here.

Hero gets AdAh and goes $20 UTG+1
Random guy calls
Villain calls

$67
963

Hero goes $40
Fold
Villain calls

$147
7

Hero?
I ended up checking which i'm not sure I like and villain goes $160

Hero?
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07-08-2017 , 09:45 PM
It's a pretty meh spot. Might just make a fold & never tell anyone about it. Seems like he's not shy about betting his made hands (assuming he lead into you with his 4). There's really no good river for us & we're likely to face another bet if we check river.
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07-08-2017 , 09:50 PM
Very bad texture for your hand so just fold and move on.
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07-08-2017 , 10:00 PM
I think it's pertinent to pay attention to people's bet sizing tells. What does a pot+ sized bet from this villain mean? Not a really good turn for your hand and if you call turn there won't be very many good rivers for you hand anyways. Don't invest too much on such a coordinated board with 1 pair. I'd fold turn and just wait for a better spot.
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07-09-2017 , 01:31 AM
I'd keep betting on the turn and folding to a raise. I don't like conceding control of the hand when we still beat a lot of his calling range on the flop. Checking with AAx makes a lot more sense.

As played, it's a really tough spot. It looks a bit like a small flush for value or a semi-bluff. I feel like you have to call here and evaluate river but I don't really like it much since we're dead if he has a flush. I don't mind just folding now, but I think it's a slight mistake if you're confident in playing the river correctly.
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07-09-2017 , 03:52 AM
It's a pretty damn awful board for you and the only good river card is an A. I think you would have been better off barreling the turn IMO. I think V would opt to check most of the time when on a draw, so really you are kind of forced to fold with just top pair here, as I don't think V is bluffing enough for it to be profitable to call. And if V is bluffing, then he will surely bluff river which again there really aren't any good river cards for you.
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07-09-2017 , 04:18 AM
Just barrel turn and go from there.

AP, turn is not a big deal if you fold but I definitely would have never checked in this spot unless I had an overpair with a club intending to x/c
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07-09-2017 , 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by valiantcalls
And if V is bluffing, then he will surely bluff river which again there really aren't any good river cards for you.
I hear this a lot and I just think it's just not true. Not all villains are able to just fire off infinite $ with bluffs. They give up sometimes when they're afraid you're gonna call them. They pick up a pair on the river and decide to check it back. They convince themselves you're going to call river if you called turn.

Every time someone bets, you should have a calling range and a folding range, which means if they bet turn and river, there should be some hands (based on their bet size) that you call turn with and fold river.
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07-09-2017 , 09:25 AM
I ended up folding and villain claimed to have a flush - he is probably lying but who knows. He probably had a hand like 9x with a club or 87.
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07-09-2017 , 09:57 AM
Flop is good. Turn check is fine imo.
Fold to the huge sizing.
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07-09-2017 , 02:48 PM
Turn check is ok, could bet or check.

Now you have to call turn. You have the top of your bet flop check turn range, outside of (AAc), and alot of your range is already doing a ton of bet folding in this spot. Whenever you are in a spot like this, ask yourself is this the top of my range when i take this line, if it is and you fold it, it is hugely minus ev because it basically means whenever u check turn you are just giving up.

People need to be less scared of playing rivers. If you keep folding turn to avoid river decisions your growth rate as a poker player will be stunted. Yes it is an overbet, and this is a terrible turn, which makes this closer, but you still need to defend here.

Sure the money on rivers is alot, and it may be scary/daunting, just remember, your villian is probably equally scared of you and just as concerned about how much he will
have to bet otr. Often times hes just getting ultra protectiony with his pair and he will take the showdown and checkback.

Anyways unless youve got a read on this guy, like he never overbets without it or hes a big nit, call turn and lets see a river.

Last edited by HappyLuckBox; 07-09-2017 at 02:55 PM.
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07-09-2017 , 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by HappyLuckBox
Turn check is ok, could bet or check.

Now you have to call turn. You have the top of your bet flop check turn range, outside of (AAc), and alot of your range is already doing a ton of bet folding in this spot. Whenever you are in a spot like this, ask yourself is this the top of my range when i take this line, if it is and you fold it, it is hugely minus ev because it basically means whenever u check turn you are just giving up.

People need to be less scared of playing rivers. If you keep folding turn to avoid river decisions your growth rate as a poker player will be stunted. Yes it is an overbet, and this is a terrible turn, which makes this closer, but you still need to defend here.

Sure the money on rivers is alot, and it may be scary/daunting, just remember, your villian is probably equally scared of you and just as concerned about how much he will
have to bet otr. Often times hes just getting ultra protectiony with his pair and he will take the showdown and checkback.

Anyways unless youve got a read on this guy, like he never overbets without it or hes a big nit, call turn and lets see a river.
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07-09-2017 , 10:31 PM
Bet fold turn. Turn check opens villain up to bluff with tons of hands. Unless V has specifically monster flush they will likely raise almost all of their value holdings on the turn. So bet fold I think is best line to minimize a loss while not just giving away the pot with a turn check.
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07-10-2017 , 10:41 AM
bet the turn

as played, he's obv protecting something, prob a small flush.
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