interesting range of advice ITT.
1. definitely 4b pre. your sizing was a little small. around $300 is optimal IMO. agree with the other poster that 5x is not a standard 4bet sizing here.
2. as played, i strongly disagree with people saying we're stacking off on virtually any flop. this is a spot where we can define ranges quite well/specifically. there are many flop textures we should not continue on with 2 customers.
3. careful with the use of TAGfish to describe this villain. true TAG traits are actually quite rare in 2/5 cash. tight/aggressive is a specific playbook that not many people play. Regfish may be a better description, although a small paragraph summary would be best.
4. this is often QQ or JJ and rarely TT in my opinion. think about the mentality v2 would have to have to donk shove 7 bills here with tens, not to mention he's less likely to play tens like this pre. it's not out of the question but this particular action in this particular scenario is much more often QQ or JJ. the way the action went, even bad players can smell it in the air that a semi-bluff shove is not gettnig through 2 players here. also given v2's preflop play, he shouldn't show up with KK very often here. we also have another player behind yet to act...because of all of this I think this is a
fold.
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Originally Posted by Koss
While it doesn't happen often, when I'm 200bb effective or less and my AA gets 3-bet, I 4-bet jam. I'm always very surprised by the hands that call. I got called by 74s once!?!
You certainly can make a "standard" 4bet to $425 if you want, however I've looked at it like this: Whatever their calling range is for $425, it's likely almost the same range that calls a jam, however the 4bet option gives them an opportunity to get a bad flop and get out. Smaller 3-bets can potentially price them in to out flop you, even if they do call it with a slightly wider range.
I guess what I'm trying to say is just jam here 100%, or raise to an amount that makes it impossible for them to call profitably assuming the rest of the stacks go in post flop.
i don't really agree with your line of thinking. jamming leaves a lot of value on the table IMO. the result is the same if KK is out, but not QQ, JJ, and AK. with 2 villains and the way the action went, we expect at least one of those 3 hands to be out fairly often. rather than worry about post, we should set our re-raise size at an amount that keeps those hands in. the best way to "deny them odds" is to not stack off on the right board textures. as better players, that should be our edge here.
for example, as mentioned above, i fold in this spot.
Last edited by 8o8; 05-19-2018 at 05:21 PM.