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02-15-2014 , 08:03 PM

tercet

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Hero(950) r/ utg with AsAd, 5 callers( they all have more then me)..

Js10c9c

Hero cks, mp pots co calls, btn folds, hero folds..

I know this is really nitty, but is it that bad? So many draws out their, with so many players.

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02-15-2014 , 08:17 PM

cxy123

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Pretty awful ..... post.

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02-15-2014 , 08:18 PM

slimshady1999

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What was the raise pre and how much in pot? Folding flop here is likely a small mistake at worst. I'd probably check call flop reevaluate turn. Folding to three barrels even on bricks

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02-15-2014 , 08:21 PM

slimshady1999

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Most people would probably advocate bet fold here but on this board with this many callers, I'd check call most bets. Possibly check fold turn to a huge bet on blanks. Betting safe river if turn checks through

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02-15-2014 , 08:23 PM

tercet

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I just raised 15 utg.. was gonna cc one street vs one bet and folds.. but vs another caller just did the nitty thing.

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02-15-2014 , 08:29 PM

slimshady1999

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Originally Posted by tercet

I just raised 15 utg.. was gonna cc one street vs one bet and folds.. but vs another caller just did the nitty thing.

So there's $97 in pot pre and villain bombs it for $100. Looks like a hand that has you crushed or tons of equity. Even if you flat flop, one of them will likely bet big on turn with a hand like QJ, KJ, Jxcc and you have to fold. You likely have to dodge 1/3 of deck at least even when ahead. I think folding as played is totally fine. I would definitively often fold to that bet on that board a lot

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02-15-2014 , 08:42 PM

DK Barrel

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c/c is a bad idea (but not as bad as c/f) because there are far more worse hands that are going to c/c than worse hands that are going to bet.

It is a crappy board and there are a lot of combinations that beat you but I'm still always betting flop and turn. You get called by Jx, pair+straight draw, flush draws, bare Qx, maybe even bare 8x. Then if you get raised it's villain dependent.

I probably wouldn't bet the river as the vast majority of worse hands we are trying to get value from are bad pairs with a draw that are just going to fold on the river.

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02-15-2014 , 09:10 PM

beauvanlaanen

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Originally Posted by cxy123

Pretty awful ..... post.

beautiful

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02-15-2014 , 09:22 PM

djevans

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I don't think you can make a giant mistake by folding sir - even if you are ahead you are gonna hate so many turns and just end up check folding vs any one dbl barrels.

You can maybe check raise flop but this is a gamble and probably not a very good one but you may be able to get to showdown if you check the turn.

I personally think vs 5 callers just folding is fine.

Also raise bigger pre - like $20 - $25 - if you are getting 5 callers with $15 you aren't raising big enough. Maybe even go $35 lol

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