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04-05-2015 , 03:40 AM

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2/5, 6 handed, $500 effective

UTG makes it 15, next guy calls, H in SB calls with 77, BB makes it 100, folds to H...?

Standard raises at the table were 20-25 so far... Everyone at the table, including H, has a tight image and BB, who is a solid LAG/big winner, is a habitual squeezer with ATC in these spots... However, he has a fold button when shown resistance...

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04-05-2015 , 03:56 AM

Pork Fri Rize

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If UTG and other guy fold after we call and BB does happen to squeeze, and your read is pretty solid that his squeeze range is ATC then I would jam as calling in this spot is pretty bad. However, if BB doesn't typically 4 bet light, , than I actually prefer 3bet/folding pre to him and possibly playing HU against a lesser player and just give ourselves a chance to pick up the pot now. If BB doesn't squeeze much then, am just flating pre to set mine. Your read on him drastically changes the most +EV to play this hand.

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04-05-2015 , 05:12 AM

fitzthetaxman

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That was a very helpful post PFR.

As played I probably fold, I just don't see how we can rep so much here but maybe I need to add flatting with big hands in these spots to look FOS back-raising in similar spots.

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04-05-2015 , 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Pork Fri Rize

If UTG and other guy fold after we call and BB does happen to squeeze, and your read is pretty solid that his squeeze range is ATC then I would jam as calling in this spot is pretty bad. However, if BB doesn't typically 4 bet light, , than I actually prefer 3bet/folding pre to him and possibly playing HU against a lesser player and just give ourselves a chance to pick up the pot now. If BB doesn't squeeze much then, am just flating pre to set mine. Your read on him drastically changes the most +EV to play this hand.

I think you misread the HH. H is in SB and it's only H vs BB now.

Calling is out of question and folding is the standard play obv.

But we're trying to think a level further here since this BB's range is ATC.

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04-05-2015 , 06:47 AM

Mickeypowell5

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4b to 275 and call any jam. If your reads are right against this v, then we are up against ak and such enough times to flip using the dead money as +ev. Yeah its not a lot of dead money given that there is no fe, but it still is worth it given this v. That's IF you are certain this v is capable of squeezing this situation, which seems like he is.

If I was this v, this seems like a perfect opportunity. Weak utg raise with multiple callers. No real aggression here. I would squeeze with aq and such here all the time if it's a tight table.

Never folding if he 5bs here even if he snap 5b. Never.

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04-05-2015 , 06:51 AM

Mickeypowell5

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Originally Posted by fitzthetaxman

but maybe I need to add flatting with big hands in these spots to look FOS back-raising in similar spots.

Nah don't worry about it. Range merging in llsnl is typically nill unless you play at the same 2/5 table with the same regs weekly. The difference in range merging from 2-5 to 5-10 dramatic though.

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04-05-2015 , 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Mickeypowell5

I would squeeze with aq and such here all the time if it's a tight table.

I think that's an over-optimistic range you're assigning to a V who literally squeezes ATC in this spot. Theoretically, your cards shouldn't even matter if you're confident of your massive FE in this spot.

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04-05-2015 , 07:18 AM

ShowdownValue

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Originally Posted by 6betfold

Grunch:

Fold.

Also, when this guy is directly on your left and you know he's notoriously squeezy, then you should be more inclined to flat a single raise with premiums you don't mind going felt with to let him spew.

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04-05-2015 , 09:24 AM

ohmyrage

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The problem with shipping it against a decent opponent, is they know you have a weak hand since you just tried to call in the SB, so a lot of the fold equity goes down

If he made this move from the SB and you were in the BB I would be MUCH more inclined to shove, since I haven't revealed anything about the strength of my hand.

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04-05-2015 , 02:44 PM

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daniel9861

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If he's literally on atc then obviously shove. Without actually crunching numbers I would guess he has to be on about 16% of hands for a shove to be profitable.

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04-05-2015 , 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by daniel9861

If he's literally on atc then obviously shove. Without actually crunching numbers I would guess he has to be on about 16% of hands for a shove to be profitable.

i ran some numbers and if V calls with {TT+,AK,AQ,AxJx} then a jam is profitable above squeeze of ~8.2%

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04-05-2015 , 04:35 PM

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daniel9861

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Originally Posted by jvds

i ran some numbers and if V calls with {TT+,AK,AQ,AxJx} then a jam is profitable above squeeze of ~8.2%

Is the 8.2% all bluffs that are folding or is 8.2% the total squeeze frequency which includes those hands listed?

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04-05-2015 , 04:40 PM

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jvds

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Originally Posted by daniel9861

Is the 8.2% all bluffs that are folding or is 8.2% the total squeeze frequency which includes those hands listed?

total squeeze. having a lot of equity when called + a lot of dead money from his large sizing mean he doesnt have to fold too often for us to profit

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04-05-2015 , 05:42 PM

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daniel9861

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Originally Posted by jvds

total squeeze. having a lot of equity when called + a lot of dead money from his large sizing mean he doesnt have to fold too often for us to profit

Cool. And then worst case scenario is if he's always 3betting hands w/ 2 overs and always calling our jam(unrealistic obv) we would need to be up against 20.4% of hands, which looks like:

88+,A8s+,K8s+,Q8s+,J8s+,T8s+,98s,A9o+,K9o+,QTo+,JT o

So against 20.4% of hands it's profitable to jam no matter what and anything less than that depends on amount of fold equity and types of hands V 3bets with.

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