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2/5 77 on BTN 2/5 77 on BTN

06-02-2015 , 12:48 AM
2/5 Maryland Live

Hero ($650): Late 20s, have not showed down much. Running bad but have recently showed down a set in a limped pot when I bet/bet/bet and got paid off.

V1 ($400): Late 30s asian, pretty loose/passive for the most part. Have seen him donk a flop once before ($45 into $90) with a flush draw, get raised to $145. Tank/called, flush came in turn, and he bomb donked into the raiser again.

V2 ($1500): Late 20s asian, running good. Playing relatively solid. Has limp/folded to my $25 raises multiple times (he's on my direct right). Haven't seen him making any moves really.

V1 limps UTG, 1 limp in between and V2 raises to $35 from the CO (he posted so had $7 dead in already). I am on the BTN with 77 and I call. V1 calls, and other limper in between calls.

Flop ($140): K84

V1 donks for $5. Limper folds, V2 just calls. I am confused and call too.

Turn ($155): 3

Everyone checks.

River ($155): J

Checks to me.

Hero?

Thoughts on all streets appreciated.
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06-02-2015 , 01:04 AM
PF .. I guess it's ok to set mine IP here ... 18 to 1 stacks. But will you get paid? V2 probably expects you to be much wider than he is in this spot.

Flop .. calling all day .. take the 'free' card ... no sense in getting taken off your hand when you hold the 7d.

Turn ... betting here when IP and opponents show no 'real' interest on 2 streets .. probably $70-85

River ... good card to bet at, but AJ will c/c this all day ... expecting 8x/Jx (at best) from V1 and AQ from V2. Probably go with $90 OTR though. GL
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06-02-2015 , 01:39 AM
Just check it down OTR. Nothing worse is calling a bet.
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06-02-2015 , 06:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rackemwillies
Just check it down OTR. Nothing worse is calling a bet.
If we're betting the river, it's as a bluff to fold out hands like TT/99/Jx. Personally I think that's a bit ambitious as V1 is probably calling Jx and V2 should recognize that a river bet is extremely polarized (plus if V2 is good I would expect him to bet turn with TT and 99 for value). I'm checking back here as well.
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06-02-2015 , 09:57 AM
I don't think many hands that are worse will be calling here. QJ, AJ call here all day. Confused by V1. He could have played here with a random KX.

Check back here.
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06-02-2015 , 10:19 AM
Chickity check yourself before you wreck yourself.

I can't imagine any better hands folding, nor any worse hands calling.
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06-02-2015 , 10:22 AM
river feels like a check
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06-02-2015 , 11:57 AM
Anyone opposed to betting $90-100 on the flop? It seems unlikely V2 has a K here as c/r shouldn't be his default play and there's only hero left to act.

I think if you bet, the continuing range is mostly flush draws meaning your 77's should hold up more often than not when the flush doesn't come in. Plus you called a pretty big bet pre and are now hammering the flop pretty hard I would imagine you get credit for AK/KQ here.
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06-02-2015 , 01:46 PM
Should I treat min bets as a check for the most part? And therefore should I just bet what I would normally do if checked to here? Very well might bet 1/2 pot for protection/value from flush draws.

River obviously I'd not be betting for value but to get 8x 99, TT, QQ to fold. Wouldn't expect a J+ to ever gold unless we bomb it (maybe)
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06-02-2015 , 03:36 PM
Preflop: I think three-betting the CO could be argued for here. Imo, you don't necessarily need to be set mining in this spot since 77 could very well be the best hand versus the limpers and the CO.

On the flop: I think you can raise profitably here, as strong K-x hands are in your calling range from the button. V1's $5 bet into a pot of $140 is pretty silly, and doesn't mean he has a flush draw and will be sticky. V1 might have an 8 or a gutshot, or sometimes a king with a terrible kicker. I think V2's range is more vulnerable than V1's, so I wouldn't worry about him calling too much. V2 could definitely have 99-QQ, and if so, would make turning the 77 into a successful bluff later more difficult if you just call that $5. V2 could also have a lot of 8s in his hand.

On the turn: I like that check as played. I feel like it's hard to rep a king since you just called that $5 bet on the flop. Turn would likely be another barrel if your raise on the flop was called by one of them.

On the river: I think you still can turn 77 into a bluff here. You need to rep a flush, and probably bet like $120. You're 77 is definitely not good and it would suck to have K-2 or A-8 take this pot down. I think your action on the flop and the turn is consistent with a flush draw.
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06-02-2015 , 04:03 PM
How much do you reasonably think you can win here? Just check.
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06-02-2015 , 04:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnyBuz
Anyone opposed to betting $90-100 on the flop? It seems unlikely V2 has a K here as c/r shouldn't be his default play and there's only hero left to act.

I think if you bet, the continuing range is mostly flush draws meaning your 77's should hold up more often than not when the flush doesn't come in. Plus you called a pretty big bet pre and are now hammering the flop pretty hard I would imagine you get credit for AK/KQ here.
+1. We can get value from diamonds and gutters on the flop.

I treat ******ed min bets like a check and do what I would have done had they checked to me.

AP, I check the river. I think 99/TT type hands would bet the turn.
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06-02-2015 , 11:10 PM
Unless you have a terrible image or any reason to think these two would slowplay, I like $210 here.
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06-03-2015 , 02:59 AM
Raise flop to $80 imo. Doesn't need to be any larger. It's sort of a bluff against 8x,99-JJ from the OR, a "value bet" against diamonds, and mostly, I think, a bet to get V's to fold equity w/overs. You will have opportunities to fire again on various turn cards (at least Q, A, K, 7 for starters).

After you just call and the turn is the blankest of all blanks, I'd bet the turn. Largely the same reason as above. $100.

On the river.. meh.. I just check behind now and expect to lose to 8x,99,TT,QQ and weird Jx. And trust me, I like trying to get people to fold. Diamonds that checked river are not impossible. Either way, I just think this is just the worst street to start betting.
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06-03-2015 , 05:09 PM
Seems like the consensus is you should be bluffing at some point in this hand. I don't think you should call that $5 flop bet unless you are going to bluff later if checked to. The $5 call shouldn't be made because you think your 77 could be the best hand at this point or because you want to see if you can hit a set on the turn.
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06-03-2015 , 09:14 PM
When you just call the $5 bet, you kind of forfeit the ability to bluff later in the hand. Nobody will believe that you would do that if you had a real hand.

Jx or better is never folding the river.
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06-03-2015 , 09:26 PM
We rep a flush credibly on the river
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