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Old 03-19-2019, 08:31 PM   #26
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Re: 2/5 7-9ss in MP

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However, the turn could have just as easily been a brick that hit SB's range hard. Then what?
Then we fold our pair of 9s no kicker.
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Old 03-19-2019, 09:58 PM   #27
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Re: 2/5 7-9ss in MP

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H has factually been rivered on big pots after getting it in well ahead 9 of the last 10 times he has picked up AA or KK.
H found it ironic given the circumstances of late that this was what it took to win a sizeable pot.
H thinks he found out plenty of info after committing 200 by the river, doesnít think heís a poker genius, but has probably played a million hands+.
Thereís some better players than me here, and I was curious what their thoughts were.
No offense intended. Youíre absolutely better than me and you have more guts too.

But Iím sincerely curious: What did you think you leaned by the turn?
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Old 03-20-2019, 08:06 AM   #28
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Re: 2/5 7-9ss in MP

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No offense intended. Youíre absolutely better than me and you have more guts too.

But Iím sincerely curious: What did you think you leaned by the turn?
No offence taken. Iím actually pretty difficult to offend. I found this hand hilarious because Iím having a really hard time winning lately when Iím way ahead and the money is in. Poker is ridiculous.

What I learned by the turn: When Main V cbets this flop I instantly weight him more toward pocket pairs than broadway cards, because cbetting this rainbow flop into 4 players with Ax or KQ makes zero sense.
When side V calls the flop bet as well his range is still super wide, 1st because his preflop range is wide to begin with, but also because heís getting a good price to continue with lots of hands like one pair with a gutshot, etc.
When the ace of spades hits the turn and it gets checked to me Iím very confident Main V has a hand like 77 (less likely because I have a blocker), 88, 9x (less likely again, but Iím really not worried about A-9 because he is extremely unlikely to check that turn), 10ís and jacks.
Side V is the more likely player to have ace here on the turn, you are right about that, which was also part of why I went $125 on the turn. If Side V has an ace, I think heís aggressive enough to try and isolate me by raising to put me all in and get Main V out of the equation. When he only calls the $125 (which surprised me honestly) I narrow his range to BDFD with a pair and still gutshots with a pair (but Iím really not too worried about the pair being an ace). Heís a loose player with a wide range on all streets so heís less likely to have an ace than it might seem to you. He also bluffs and gets aggressive when he senses weakness (from what Iíve seen/heard), and he didnít do that here. Iím pretty sure that Side V had spades here as well, and a river spade probably would have been very bad for me. He also could have had 10ís, but my line is strong enough by the river that Iím confident heíll fold that with a player behind him still.
When Main V just calls the $125 turn bet I could sense that he didnít love it, and my range for him narrowed to pretty much exactly 77, 88, 9x, 10ís and I thought jacks were less likely at that point. Donít get me wrong, I thought if he called my river shove, it would be 10ís or jacks and I lose, but it still makes sense to do in my opinion because if he folds even 30-35% of the time itís worth the risk at that point in the hand. Iím confident SB is folding after this river and I shove. The other huge benefit of the 6 pairing on the river is that I now chop with all of Main Vís potential 9x, and shoving puts him in a really tough spot to make the correct decision with a 9. Obviously, if I get him off a chop here itís huge profit for me, a few extra hundred dollars.
So I guess to answer your question, itís not so much about being sure that I was right, itís about being sure that I was putting him in a really tough spot with the hands that I was very confident he had. When you start putting opponents to very difficult decisions youíre able to see how they react to it, and sometimes induce mistakes.
The difficult thing for him is that he has double blocker for me having a straight, so if he doesnít believe I have an ace on the turn, my line looks like 2pair, sets or FOS. He was actually very close to making a ridiculously good call.
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Old 03-20-2019, 08:41 AM   #29
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Re: 2/5 7-9ss in MP

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Bluffing and getting called by worse is the greatest feeling in the world.

Op, suited gappers are a huge leak in general. This is coming from someone who gets more excited to see 75s than AA.
Duly noted Ava.
Chalk this thread up as another fold pre being optimal.
Fun hand though.
Fold pre or shove turn would have been better.
Pretty positive I let the hand that had the best chance of rivering me stay in for only an extra $125.
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