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2/5 - 67s on BTN - Nuts str + flush board - How often do you bet this? 2/5 - 67s on BTN - Nuts str + flush board - How often do you bet this?

03-10-2015 , 01:47 PM
4pm Monday afternoon, 8 handed

Table has been very active from the start, with a mix of regs/ full timers and rich fishes. I stayed on the table feeling I am 3rd best player and is making good hourly since sat down.

Hero (£1400) - Started with £1000, playing tighter than previous sessions due to two rich fishes on table, I have been avoiding playing the LAGs OOP with a weak range and focused on getting value from rich fish with over 2k on table

V1 (£600) - Eastern European reg in early 30s, he is probably one of the better regs in the room, often cash at high buy-ins tourney. But have a higher bluff frequency than most TAG players, a good hand reader and know when to shuts down.

V2 (£1600) - Mid 20s Spanish guy, claims to be playing 5/10 and bigger games else where, comfortable opening with ATC in any position and bet aggressively. In the last session I paid him off couple of hands OOP with a dominated hand.

Hero dealt 67 on BTN

V2 in UTG raised to £15, 1 caller, Hero called, V1 called, BB called.

Flop (£75)

A85

Checks to V2, who bets £45, Hero calls, V1 calls

Turn (£210)

T

V1 checks, V2 checks, Hero Checks

River (£210)

4

V1 checks, V2 checks, HERO? - How often do you B/F or B/C here and how much?
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03-10-2015 , 01:58 PM
V's are not checking made Flush's or Nut Straights on the River after the Turn checks through.

Really should think about Folding on the Flop.
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03-10-2015 , 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Sebastes Pinneger
Really should think about Folding on the Flop.
I would probably fold flop 75% of the time here, this is the 25% that I do call in position.
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03-10-2015 , 02:13 PM
On the flop against a V opening ATC and leading out I think you can semi-bluff this spot, hoping to take it down. I'd make a healthy raise to $160. Also gives you the advantage of giving any FD's behind you improper odds to call ($160 to win $280). The Ah on board is nice because it reduces the NFD combos a good tag could have - 1 combo of KQ and KJ is the only real nutty possibilities, and if he is solid it is unlikely he will call with a non-nut flush draw.

I'm trying to come up with a hand that they could put you on that would allow them to call. What were you coming along with on the flop that didn't get there? If you've been playing tight it is so unlikely they think you floated the flop and are firing an airball. I just don't think AJ-AK, A8, AT etc look you up enough to make this profitable. Unless the plan is to knock a low flush off here, I think I just check. If this hand is heads up it's a different story, but I think our flat on the flop put us in a weird spot here with it 3 way on the river.
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03-10-2015 , 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Vinyl_Pimp

V1 (£600) - Eastern European reg in early 30s, he is probably one of the better regs in the room, often cash at high buy-ins tourney. But have a higher bluff frequency than most TAG players, a good hand reader and know when to shuts down.

V2 (£1600) - Mid 20s Spanish guy, claims to be playing 5/10 and bigger games else where, comfortable opening with ATC in any position and bet aggressively. In the last session I paid him off couple of hands OOP with a dominated hand.
With the given Villains our hand is not likely to get paid off by worse if we hit and has a lot of RIO.

I might continue here sometimes as well but the V's have to be bad enough to give me some implied odds.
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03-10-2015 , 02:20 PM
Bet 100, fold to a raise from V1, think about calling a raise from V2.

EDIT: Agree the flop call is bad. If you're going to continue, you should raise.
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03-10-2015 , 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
Bet 100, fold to a raise from V1, think about calling a raise from V2.

EDIT: Agree the flop call is bad. If you're going to continue, you should raise.
^^^this.

I'm betting about 110 and calling a smallish raise up to 275 or so. So rare for either V to check flush ott AND otr.
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03-10-2015 , 05:27 PM
If you're calling that flop, you should be willing to bet the turn.
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03-10-2015 , 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
Bet 100, fold to a raise from V1, think about calling a raise from V2.

EDIT: Agree the flop call is bad. If you're going to continue, you should raise.
Curious what type of hands you are ranging here that could possibly call a $100 bet that we beat? I just think we are WA/WB here.

Does V2 show up with air often enough to make this profitable?

I'm all for thin value and I know that's how we maximize profit at LLSNL, but this spot doesn't make a ton of sense to me.
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03-10-2015 , 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by kyledizzy
Curious what type of hands you are ranging here that could possibly call a $100 bet that we beat? I just think we are WA/WB here.

Does V2 show up with air often enough to make this profitable?

I'm all for thin value and I know that's how we maximize profit at LLSNL, but this spot doesn't make a ton of sense to me.
I don't think V2 has air all that often, but I think he's likely to call with a very wide range (I don't think he would fold AJ here if V1 folds). I don't think he's super likely to have a flush, because why would he slow down once he hit it?

V1 could have almost anything, but he could call with a lot of stuff too. Again, he could have a flush, but he's checked twice after hitting it, which would be weird.
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