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[2/5] 56s in 3bet pot simple hand [2/5] 56s in 3bet pot simple hand

08-20-2019 , 04:44 PM
Villain has been battling me a little bit, mostly by calling my raises in and out of position. Has yet to 3bet me. Table has been pretty nitty, hero is playing the loosest of anyone and raising often preflop, and has been losing.

Hero opens 56 in the cut off, villain goes $80 in the small blind, hero calls

Flop: A47 ($160)
Villain bets $90, I call
Turn: J ($340)
Villain bets $220 with $650 behind (I cover), I fold
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08-20-2019 , 04:53 PM
So we had $820 to start? Fold preflop. If you're going to flop an open-ender with a backdoor flush draw and not raise him either street you can't call with this because apparently you're nut-mining and 56s just doesn't make the nuts frequently enough.
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08-20-2019 , 04:56 PM
Pretty borderline calling the 3 bet pre, but I'll take it IP. I would raise flop to $300 and shove most turns. As played, I probably just fold too facing a more narrow range with very little implied FE.
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08-20-2019 , 05:00 PM
If you opened for $20 or less, fold this to the 3bet. Myself, I'd fold even if I raised to $25. You said villain has been battling you primarily by flatting your raises both in & out of position. When he 3-bets, his range is likely to be deceptively strong here.

Postflop looks good to me. I'm still worried about V being strong, so I'm not sure we can venture a bluff raise on flop. If he Cbets at a high frequency, I do like a bluff raise to get him off KK-TT at a good frequency
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08-20-2019 , 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by sixsevenoff
Pretty borderline calling the 3 bet pre, but I'll take it IP. I would raise flop to $300 and shove most turns. As played, I probably just fold too facing a more narrow range with very little implied FE.
But tell me, are there any value hands you're raising on this flop?
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08-20-2019 , 05:11 PM
I don't open this, nor would I call his 3bet.
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08-20-2019 , 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by SpinzFTW
I don't open this, nor would I call his 3bet.
If you would fold 56s first in on the cut off in a nitty game, I dunno we just exist in different worlds

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Originally Posted by Homey D. Clown
But tell me, are there any value hands you're raising on this flop?
Nope we can't raise this flop with any part of our range. We're in position with deep stacks why do we want to throw that away on a flop that favors our opponents range?

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Originally Posted by BlindingLaser
So we had $820 to start? Fold preflop. If you're going to flop an open-ender with a backdoor flush draw and not raise him either street you can't call with this because apparently you're nut-mining and 56s just doesn't make the nuts frequently enough.
80+90+220+650=1040
I'm not nut mining, villain bet two streets out of position - that won't happen every time. On the turn we're looking for diamonds spades three or eight, or a check from our opponent - we got none of that, so we give up.
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08-20-2019 , 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Homey D. Clown
But tell me, are there any value hands you're raising on this flop?
A7s, 77, and 44. I would 4 bet A4s, so that's not in our range.
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08-20-2019 , 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by SpinzFTW
I don't open this, nor would I call his 3bet.
Calling the 3 bet is debatable. Folding 65s initially is not.
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08-20-2019 , 05:31 PM
Standard.
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08-20-2019 , 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by sixsevenoff
Calling the 3 bet is debatable. Folding 65s initially is not.
Fair enough. I can understand the open - personally I start at 78.
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08-20-2019 , 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by SpinzFTW
Fair enough. I can understand the open - personally I start at 78.
I start at 78s as well


UTG

in the co, in this game? Bottom of my range is probably 53s, A5o, Q6s type hands
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08-20-2019 , 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Ranma4703
I start at 78s as well


UTG

in the co, in this game? Bottom of my range is probably 53s, A5o, Q6s type hands
Could probably go even a little wider
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08-20-2019 , 07:21 PM
I am so jealous.

Nobody anywhere I play opens, raises, cbets, semibluffs, nada with 56s.

Everyone one of my games in CA, HI, and NV would be SOOOO much "better" if more people played 56s aggressively.

I may start a petition.
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08-20-2019 , 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Nozsr
I am so jealous.

Nobody anywhere I play opens, raises, cbets, semibluffs, nada with 56s.

Everyone one of my games in CA, HI, and NV would be SOOOO much "better" if more people played 56s aggressively.

I may start a petition.
There's poker in Hawaii?
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08-20-2019 , 08:41 PM
Home games.

If you can get an introduction, it's cool... some pretty solid players, too.
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08-20-2019 , 09:29 PM
call turn and bluff shove diamonds. Betting on a blank Q river seems dec too. everything else seems pretty std, IP should't rly be raising vs this sizing that much and not with this combo.
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08-21-2019 , 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Minatorr
call turn and bluff shove diamonds. Betting on a blank Q river seems dec too. everything else seems pretty std, IP should't rly be raising vs this sizing that much and not with this combo.
+1 to everything here. Don't fold turn; it's relatively close but 65s is still a pure call.
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08-21-2019 , 01:41 AM
Getting around 2.5 to 1 for a call ott (28.5%)
We have 8 outs otr so approx 16% or 5.25 to 1
We rely on implied odds so we need to win 2.75 x 220 = 605 otr
Is he always stacking off otr if you hit? I doubt it, I fold now
By calling you are forced to pile river way too often. Given your image you will be hero'ed way too light for this to be profitable
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08-21-2019 , 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by KID777777
Getting around 2.5 to 1 for a call ott (28.5%)
We have 8 outs otr so approx 16% or 5.25 to 1
We rely on implied odds so we need to win 2.75 x 220 = 605 otr
Is he always stacking off otr if you hit? I doubt it, I fold now
By calling you are forced to pile river way too often. Given your image you will be hero'ed way too light for this to be profitable
Yes. The pot will be too big for him to fold and there no way he will ever put OP on 56 if the river is a 3 or an 8

Or unless villain doesn't even have an ace but that's unlikely at this point.
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08-21-2019 , 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
Yes. The pot will be too big for him to fold and there no way he will ever put OP on 56 if the river is a 3 or an 8

Or unless villain doesn't even have an ace but that's unlikely at this point.
Its a possibility for sure, however with 8d/3d he may not
Regardless its only basically breakeven EV if he stacks off 100% when we hit. I don't see any real upside to calling turn and arriving OTR with 6hi given that the most likely scenario is we punt off or just miss with no SDV
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08-21-2019 , 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Minatorr
call turn and bluff shove diamonds. Betting on a blank Q river seems dec too. everything else seems pretty std, IP should't rly be raising vs this sizing that much and not with this combo.
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Originally Posted by Jarretman
+1 to everything here. Don't fold turn; it's relatively close but 65s is still a pure call.
This was my initial thought, and it is close, but it's also not close given we are dealing w a 3b ftb and a 220 dollar turn bet and OP went out of her way to explain the battle dynamic. What that tells me is that our bluff attempt on river diamonds is going to get pre-empted extremely often on those and just about any card with just about everything he has. He's battling 'against a girl', so more bluffs and hero check calls with strong hands and check calls with superhero hands (because he doesn't have to show and pretend it was a rough beat if he loses BUT can also show some extreme bluff-catcher the times he somehow wins and that's worth all kinds of machismo points/level up manhood spot). Just a live dynamic thing that I might be over-exploiting for but 30k hours later I have seen this type spot often, so it lands me on this opinion. Again, close, but this is my take on the spot and where I think about the call, bet D38, but then say to myself I can't arrive on this river with 6 high/not deep enough to rebluff/another barrel is coming and then just fold.
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08-21-2019 , 01:56 PM
Do you open to 20 preflop?
In a nitty game, you can go for 15 in late position, you would have more room to maneuver if someone 3 bet you.
I would fold to the 3 bet with the dynamic between you two. But calling can't be that bad.
Calling flop, folding turn seems standard.
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