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10-25-2014 , 09:49 PM

fizzypants

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Hero ($500) just sat down at 2/5 table, completes 55 in SB after 2 limpers, BB ($450) makes it $30, both call, Hero calls

Flop ($120): Jc Js 7c
Hero checks, BB checks, both others (fit/fold players) check

Turn ($120): 3d
Hero checks, BB bets $60, both others fold, Hero ???

I'm not really sure of V's tendencies but I think he could be bluffing here, I overheard someone saying this guy tilts and loses a lot of money whenever he comes. But the problem is we're OOP and don't know what to do if he bets river. Also, he could easily have a higher pair here that didn't bet flop.

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10-25-2014 , 10:31 PM

alexj35

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I woulda led out $50 on that turn and likely check-called most rivers. In this spot, though. I just lay down. Not worth calling and check-calling river. Take your $30 loss and move on

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10-26-2014 , 03:48 AM

matzah_ball

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Fold pre.

Call turn I guess

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10-26-2014 , 05:11 AM

fizzypants

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Originally Posted by matzah_ball

Fold pre.

I would, but 2 others called! Pot odds?

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10-26-2014 , 05:13 AM

fizzypants

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Also, if we were V in this scenario, and were holding say 99-AA maybe, do we cbet flop?

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10-26-2014 , 06:08 AM

DrawingToAPair

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Originally Posted by fizzypants

I would, but 2 others called! Pot odds?

You flop your (low) set only 12.5% of the time (7:1 against). Calling BB's raise means calling $25 to win $95 (95:25, or about 3:1). Taking implied odds into consideration it could be worth it, but the problem with low to middle set mining is that even when made, the board is often too scary to realize those implied odds.

Personally, I don't mind liming in (or calling a min raise... a little larger at a 1/2 game) with a low to middle pair, but getting married to this hand is an expensive mistake and if you're getting in due to the size of the pre flop pot, you're probably getting married to the hand.

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10-26-2014 , 07:12 AM

paratrooper99

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Originally Posted by DrawingToAPair

At a typical 2/5 game where you will almost always get paid off when you hit a set by top pair, folding here is a huge leak. As played, no set no bet multiway. Even if Villain is bluffing, he likely has some equity and the position and ability to use aggression on the river to his advantage.

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10-26-2014 , 10:16 AM

alexj35

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Folding preflop is the worst idea evarrrr

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10-26-2014 , 10:33 AM

iraisetoomuch

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Pre is fine getting 19:1 IO, in great relative position, and with 4:1 DO.

Post is a super easy check/fold.
This board sucks for us.

Even when he is bluffing with AK/AQ type hands he still has 20% equity, besides the times that we hae drawing to 2 outs when he has TT-88/66, we have no idea what cards we don't like so we end up in an akward check/guess game on the river where we are almost certain to leak away more money in the long run even if sometimes we do make the 'right' call or 'right' fold.

Just pitch it.

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10-26-2014 , 11:29 AM

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Koss

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Snap fold. We didn't call preflop because we were trying to win without a set. We will be folding the best hand sometimes here, but that's OK. We're out of position, and we don't know which turn cards are going to hit v even if we're ahead.

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10-26-2014 , 12:06 PM

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AintNoLimit

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Originally Posted by alexj35

I woulda led out $50 on that turn and likely check-called most rivers. In this spot, though. I just lay down. Not worth calling and check-calling river. Take your $30 loss and move on

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10-26-2014 , 12:13 PM

#12

BackDoorFlush

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Originally Posted by matzah_ball

Fold pre.

F-------

Since hero is new to the game, C/F is the best option. With better reads on V, other lines would be fine.

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10-26-2014 , 12:49 PM

#13

fizzypants

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Varied opinions on turn play -_- bet vs c/f?

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10-26-2014 , 02:43 PM

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matzah_ball

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I think pre is a pretty easy fold. 100BBs, OOP to 3 people, our hand has no value unless we hit a set, and we don't know if we have any IOs if we do.

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10-26-2014 , 04:27 PM

#15

kekeeke

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Lol @ folding to a 6bb(5bb for us) raise preflop.

Hhaha
Edit: snap folding OTT personaly, calling is very very bad imo. Raising could be interesting depending if villain. It's fancy play for sure

Last edited by kekeeke; 10-26-2014 at 04:35 PM.

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10-26-2014 , 04:49 PM

#16

gobbo

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I like calling turn tbh. Though I like leading turn more.

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10-26-2014 , 05:12 PM

#17

dom80e

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Most players are pretty tight raising from blinds so set mining is super standard here.

If v has range of 99+, AQs+, and AKo he would likely bet QQ+ on flop and bet entire range on turn.

That means his range is he is more likely betting AQ or AK than a pair. Hero can call here and fold to river bet. V do not usually check back, then double barrel turn and river so if v bets river it is most likely a hand that beats us.

But I also think betting turn is better.

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10-27-2014 , 03:40 AM

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spooner90

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Originally Posted by dom80e

Your first two sentences make sense, throw in 88 there as well as AKs. I think calling is out of the question as we are only in good shape and there are a few bad rivers for us as well he can continue on or check back and take it down with anyway. This spot would be a lot easier if we had position because he would play his range a lot more straight-forward but given our check/call tendency there is a chance he could barrel A high on the river as well. I lead out turn and check/fold river - as played, fold.

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