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01-23-2014 , 06:20 PM
pre is w/e, just gotta make sure you know what range youre actually 3b in this spot (ie if you had 47s, 58s would you have 3b)- this is more of a bookkeeping question. suited one gappers i think are fine here to get some coverage on lower boards against a good player/hand reader who is gonna peel light, and who you want to 3b a wide value range against (bc he is opening so wide).

flop float again is okay, but only if you think he is going to donk/barrel with a lot of his air (which he has a ton of) which he will c/f later. i think a flop raise okay too, he will probably only continue with 5x for the most part and gutters are decent air to include in a flop raise range if you are gonna raise some overpairs (TT-KK)

calling this small turn bet is standard, raise here would be horrible. The Ah is good for your range if you peel with most of your AQ/AK (as you probably should, although maybe calling with more pairs on the flop is better if you do this), but it doesnt really make sense to raise any of these hands here and described villain will know this

river fold is pretty bad, agree he can be valuebetting worse. i would almost be relieved that he overbet bc then i dont have to consider raising a normal sized bet which would be super thin (probably too thin, hard for him to have much of a calling range that we beat). if youre gonna fold this river then fold the turn
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01-24-2014 , 04:04 AM
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Originally Posted by CallMeVernon
Semi-grunch: I think if you are unwilling to bomb the turn in this hand, you've totally butchered it.

This is more or less the perfect turn card to raise. As you said in your OP, you don't think the ace hits him. So there's pretty much no hand he can have except for 55 that isn't going to be scared of how the ace helps you.

On the turn, the pot is 380 and you have 2410 left to bet. When he bets 180 on the turn, what happens if you raise to say $740, or even $800? Now (if you do 800) he's faced with calling $620 on the turn and potentially a $1610 river shove. This is how you leverage a huge stack with position. It is not to just passively call--especially not with a non-nut draw on a paired board.

The great thing about this raise is how it is practically unheard of to do this as a semi-bluff. So this Villain is going to put you on a value hand--especially because the heart draw is a backdoor draw. The likelihood that the Villain will be able to beat the value hand he puts you on is extremely small. Even with 5x, he might (MIGHT--no guarantee) put you on AA and fold. He almost certainly won't call you with any hand that can't beat AK.

And if he happens to call with a made hand weaker than a boat, you still have many outs to win. Meanwhile, if you call instead of raise and make your flush, you probably don't get a lot of money off him anyway, since you only have the 6-high flush and, if the ace doesn't help him, he can't be that strong here. This is almost the perfect setup for a semi-bluff. I would go so far as to say I'd never be calling here--if I think he's weak, I raise, and if I think a raise won't work, I fold (since my draw isn't that great--but I probably would have folded the flop in that scenario anyway).

I don't think it's necessary to always follow through on the river if you get called here.
someone above you said clicking it back to 380 or 400, thats more my style, because hes smart enough to know im going to bomb any river.
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01-24-2014 , 04:08 AM
i guess i forgot to mention a key element in the situation.
i basically took 900 off him an hour before. I didnt feel inclined to give him action, It was my ego trying to outplay him in ALOT of the pots that we were playing.
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01-24-2014 , 04:10 AM
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Originally Posted by jvds
pre is w/e, just gotta make sure you know what range youre actually 3b in this spot (ie if you had 47s, 58s would you have 3b)- this is more of a bookkeeping question. suited one gappers i think are fine here to get some coverage on lower boards against a good player/hand reader who is gonna peel light, and who you want to 3b a wide value range against (bc he is opening so wide).

flop float again is okay, but only if you think he is going to donk/barrel with a lot of his air (which he has a ton of) which he will c/f later. i think a flop raise okay too, he will probably only continue with 5x for the most part and gutters are decent air to include in a flop raise range if you are gonna raise some overpairs (TT-KK)

calling this small turn bet is standard, raise here would be horrible. The Ah is good for your range if you peel with most of your AQ/AK (as you probably should, although maybe calling with more pairs on the flop is better if you do this), but it doesnt really make sense to raise any of these hands here and described villain will know this

river fold is pretty bad, agree he can be valuebetting worse. i would almost be relieved that he overbet bc then i dont have to consider raising a normal sized bet which would be super thin (probably too thin, hard for him to have much of a calling range that we beat). if youre gonna fold this river then fold the turn
like i said earlier but wouldnt clicking back the turn to say 400 make him play is hand face-up..
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01-24-2014 , 04:17 AM
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Originally Posted by mr_wiggles
Not to be that guy, but openly posting spoilers before discussion is over makes it hard for a lot of people to learn from these threads.
amen to that. I feel like ive gotten some pretty good advice though.
my next hand that i post will not contain the results until after discussion is over.
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