2/5 6 handed eff stacks 750

H image, just got caught bluffing, been playing tag but had a decent amount of good opening hands

V only been playing for a couple of orbits, haven't seen him show down yet. White guy 20's headphones, vpip 20-25% slightly passive preflop

H utg +1 a4hh
V utg limps
H makes it 20, btn calls, v reraises to 55, ( his limp reraise looks extremely fishy, I would have been concerned about aa or kk but the sizing looks very weak and I block half aa combos) I reraise to 300, v tanks for 4 mins then goes all in.

My question is; should I fold here or am I pot committed?

My first instinct is to fold but is it better to call in this position?

Obviously I hate the spot, maybe I could have reraised less so I can get away from the hand more easily, but as played is it call or fold?

I know pretty spewey to be in this spot but what is best option as played?

even if he shows you AK it's a call. also, position no longer matters, unless you meant the 55, and yeah, you shoulda just called that.

Stop the bleeding and fold. Why not make it 200-225?

Why did you make it 300?

I actually think I should 4 bet this because his pf line/sizing is so fishy, I think 165 would be fine for sizing then I can easily fold to a 5 bet

Don't 4 bet so big. 110-150 is enough. As played it's a fold but your sizing is really bad and a total spew.


Calling in position is fine so try and play some flops next time.

You are 30% against everything except aces but eeshh you got yourself in a gross spot.

4 bet much too big. 135-185 seems reasonable and allows us to fold to a shove.

A4s is fine as a 4bet. I'm not sure I do it against this opponent type though. That being said, the raise size is pretty bad. Agree $150-$185 is more appropriate sizing. I think you have to call now you need 29.5% if there is $1525 in the pot when you call, which is exactly what you have assuming he has QQ+ and AK 29.7%. Since villain tanked we can likely eliminate AA which makes us 31.85%. High Variance line for sure.

this is probably a fold. it's -EV if V has AA or KK+.

we start adding in QQ,AK, etc, just gets us to EV 0.

Horrible sizing for a 4bet. You're 4betting as a bluff and not for value yeah? Meaning you will accomplish the same thing making it lets say $150- $180 as you would $300 except when you make it $300 you have to call the 5bet...
Also, why are you 4betting a basically unknown villain in his second orbit when you have virtually no info on him? I.e tendencies, tells, range ect... wait i'd say minimum 5 orbits before executing fancy plays like this as doing it against unknowns is usually hugely -EV. Getting a vpip of 20-25% from two orbits and saying he is "slightly passive" is about as useful info as if he was literally sitting down and this being his first hand in my opinion.
My 4betting range in this spot is explicitally QQ+, depending on my mood i MIGHT throw AK in there. AQs/JJ/TT i'm just going to flat and play poker postflop in position and reevaluate.
Take your time and think about how these mistakes will compound, it's a cash game not a tourney and there will be better spots. You don't have to pounce on every spot because you feel it's good. You most likely called the 5bet, him rock up with of course AK+ and you lose a 300BB pot and tilted for the rest of the night.

As played its a call. 450 to win 1500ish you are getting better than 3-1 and block AA so unfortunately since you took this line with your sizing now the correct play is to call.

No, not getting better than 3:1

fold pre. It's not a good hand to open UTG+1

Fold to a 3bet.

SNAP FOLD to a l/rr from an UTG unknown (not to mention a passive preflop player).

Who cares what his "sizing" looks like? Recreational players don't know how to size bets to begin with. a l/rr from an unknown UTG, unless we know otherwise, is AA always. Hardly ever kings either.

And furthermore, you just got caught bluffing...

The hollywood tank/jam is even more evidence he has you crushed to death.

The hand is sprew. Good players should know how to fold more than how to be aggressive.

it's never good to put half your stack in pre then fold, but the decision needs to be made prior to the action.

It's usually never better to flat a 3bet unless for example you're setmining vs someone who will get money in if you hit.

Yeah if you get to use 450 from the player next to you stack.

I think you make a good point re waiting for a better spot.

Hes already put 300 in the pot. He has 450 left (750 effective) ... so yes, its 450 unless 750 - 300 isnt 450 wherever you guys are.

1070:450 = 2.3777777777777 to 1

fold

We'd have to put a lot of nonsense in his range before calling becomes +EV. We need 29.6% equity, and while AA is the only hand we're much less than that against, we're roughly 30-32% against every single other hand he will ever have. There's no reasonable range that's going to make calling significantly +EV.

His l/rr might be fishy, but I'm not sure what about it suggests he's doing it light. Need more on V to start with the light 4bets at 2/5. And, as everyone else has said, the sizing needs to be much smaller.

Yeah just so much about his body language seemed weak. That was my read anyway. I called and he flipped over aqss, I rivered a 4 and won the pot. What a life

4bet to 130~ that sizing is awful. fold to the jam, few 2/5 players will 5bet ship AK/AQ or even QQ.

sick that you called and hit a 4 lol

Grunch: this is spew from start to finish. Nothing really to be said otherwise.

Epic spew/button clicking by both hero and villain in this hand. If I was at the table, then I wouldn't leave until both of you left the game. Yes OP, it's that bad. Don't do this again.

Obvious fold against an unknown. Seems way too loose to open A4 suited UTG+1. and then have someone reraise UTG

^^^It's a six handed game. Opening is fine, depending on table dynamics. It's the rest of the hand that is the problem.

(1070+450):450 = 3.37777777778 to 1