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12-22-2014 , 02:24 PM
I fold pre. The RIO associated with this spot + the times he has AK and we both miss and he plays aggressively------ make it a dead loser IMO.

If you play out the different scenarios that can happen (Kxx flop and villain has AA) you find far more examples of us being coolered than we coolering him. It isnt close.
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12-22-2014 , 04:00 PM
Might be a dumb question but did you get any reaction from him on the turn? It is probably the worst card for our hand, assuming we weren't already behind on the flop. Did he jam quickly or did he take a second?
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12-22-2014 , 04:02 PM
I don't get threads like this shove flop call now
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12-22-2014 , 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Willyoman
Right. With the Ah and Kh accounted for, and given villain's pre-flop 3-bet, there really aren't going to be many - if any - flopped flushes in his range.
Mostly agree. Of course even one flopped flushes he might have would be horrible for us.

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Originally Posted by Willyoman
OK, I put it in Stove.

We have 43%+ equity against AA,QQ,AKs,AKo on the turn.

Makes it a snap call.
Why would he be shoving that range here? The queen is a bad card if he has AK. What is he expecting to get called by AJo?

If the queen improved his hand he probably has the queen of hearts. What do you think his other card is likely to be?

Edit: Just saw this post:
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Originally Posted by reallyliketogamble
Might be a dumb question but did you get any reaction from him on the turn? It is probably the worst card for our hand, assuming we weren't already behind on the flop. Did he jam quickly or did he take a second?
Agreed. But somehow everyone else thinks Villain would shove with AK.
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12-22-2014 , 05:05 PM
The more I think about this hand the harder it gets to me. In game I am probably check jamming. It probably isn't optimal, but I don't see a lot of value if we make our flush unless he has exactly AQ with the Qh, and if we don't improve on the turn he can put us in exactly this spot.

What hasn't been mentioned yet is our perceived range against the villain. This is probably why we are talking in LLSNL instead of something bigger. After calling a 3b pre and the flop bet our hand looks close to what it is. The Q turn isn't just a good card for his range, it also hits our possible AQ.

Knowing it could have hit us and his willingness to continue barreling makes me think this isn't a bluff often, probably not often enough to justify calling a jam. AA, AQ and QQ seem by far most likely for him, with a much smaller percentage of flushes, 99, and very occasional bluffs
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12-22-2014 , 07:32 PM
Call
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