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07-26-2013 , 10:08 PM
I have just been moved to the main game from the must move and have about 1700. In the 2 orbits I have been at the table I have opened probably 6 times for a raise and 3b squeezed once. Villain has said something about me to the other end of the table assuming along the lines of showing who the table captain is.

Hand

Villain is straddling for $20. I am a reg in the room but have never seen him before. He has abt 3k. Only hand I have seen him play he floated flop and a 2 flush board. River filled in flush and when checked to he fired ~550 into 350 pot. Completely transparent bluff. Bettor folded TPTK (or so he said) and Villain showed K hi bluff. He appears to not be thinking player necessarily just using brute aggression.

Folds to me in LP and I open AT to 65. Folds to him on straddle and he makes it $265 rather quickly. I consider 4b as I think I am pretty far of his EXTREMELY wide range. I ended up flatting and deciding to basically go with any flops where I pick up equity...thoughts here?

(Pot ~530) Flop K68 He fires $400 pretty quickly and I end up tank folding.

Thoughts on preflop which I guess is most interesting spot?
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07-26-2013 , 10:13 PM
I know this may sound nitty but I'm folding the armless boxer pre. Looks strong but can't fight back. IDK, just not my game to go to battle like that. Pretty high variance that deep.
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07-26-2013 , 10:20 PM
Fold to 3bet pre if he is hyper lag like you have him tagged they'll be better spots, plus you've only seen him play 1 hand, possibly raise/fold his big blind to see how he reacts with atc assuming its folded to you.
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07-26-2013 , 11:00 PM
$425/fold ..... Vs this guy in this spot......I don't think calling is profitable and gets us into too many weird spots, plus I think we can get him to fold AJ AQ and even the odd AK at least some of the time. I think he calls with all his pairs and that's a good thing for us.
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07-26-2013 , 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by AcePlayerDeluxe
I know this may sound nitty but I'm folding the armless boxer pre. Looks strong but can't fight back. IDK, just not my game to go to battle like that. Pretty high variance that deep.
Although, you are only 85bb deep... Shove pre?
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07-26-2013 , 11:39 PM
I think it's close between 4 betting, flatting, and folding. normally I'd like a 4 bet as this guy probably raises his straddle vs one opponent regularly. Plus I think he cbets 100% of flops after this raise.

I know ATs isn't the best hand in 3 bet pots, but based on your read and description of this guy, I think you had a valid plan to flat and pounce w/ any piece. Your getting 2 sreets a lot and you likely have a bunch of FE if you flop a draw and semi bluff. The problem is your playing "hit to win." Or your risking a ton of $ w/ a post oak bluff which is never a great spot to be in.

Tough spot, the guys gonna be fos here a ton but it's hard to fight back when it means risking your healthy stack.

I don't hate your plan for the hand, but I feel like either 4 betting or folding might be a better play here. If you had a reason to believe he would be unlikely to double barrel I'd like it more. This guy seems like the type to monkey barrel his whole range and w/ stack/pot as it would be it's tough to outplay him once you get to the turn as you'll be left w/ only ~psb.

I think all three pre flop options have merit, I could understand 4betting, folding, or flatting w/ a plan.
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07-27-2013 , 12:22 AM
fold preflop and its not even close to close
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07-27-2013 , 12:30 AM
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Originally Posted by patchohare
I think it's close between 4 betting, flatting, and folding. normally I'd like a 4 bet as this guy probably raises his straddle vs one opponent regularly. Plus I think he cbets 100% of flops after this raise.

I know ATs isn't the best hand in 3 bet pots, but based on your read and description of this guy, I think you had a valid plan to flat and pounce w/ any piece. Your getting 2 sreets a lot and you likely have a bunch of FE if you flop a draw and semi bluff. The problem is your playing "hit to win." Or your risking a ton of $ w/ a post oak bluff which is never a great spot to be in.

Tough spot, the guys gonna be fos here a ton but it's hard to fight back when it means risking your healthy stack.

I don't hate your plan for the hand, but I feel like either 4 betting or folding might be a better play here. If you had a reason to believe he would be unlikely to double barrel I'd like it more. This guy seems like the type to monkey barrel his whole range and w/ stack/pot as it would be it's tough to outplay him once you get to the turn as you'll be left w/ only ~psb.

I think all three pre flop options have merit, I could understand 4betting, folding, or flatting w/ a plan.
what is our "plan" when we flat vs. this guy?
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07-27-2013 , 12:38 AM
this is our first two orbits at this table and we have only one hand of history vs. this guy when we get to see his cards. He has no clue if you are over aggressive donk or a good lag, he has no reason for him to think he has a lot of fold equity here. This line by him looks fishy but we shouldn't be getting involved in metagame at this point, all we know is that he overbet bluffed when his opponents range was capped. Also, people show bluffs to make people play stupid vs them
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07-27-2013 , 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted by bwslim69
I have just been moved to the main game from the must move and have about 1700. In the 2 orbits I have been at the table I have opened probably 6 times for a raise and 3b squeezed once. Villain has said something about me to the other end of the table assuming along the lines of showing who the table captain is.

Hand

Villain is straddling for $20. I am a reg in the room but have never seen him before. He has abt 3k. Only hand I have seen him play he floated flop and a 2 flush board. River filled in flush and when checked to he fired ~550 into 350 pot. Completely transparent bluff. Bettor folded TPTK (or so he said) and Villain showed K hi bluff. He appears to not be thinking player necessarily just using brute aggression.

Folds to me in LP and I open AT to 65. Folds to him on straddle and he makes it $265 rather quickly. I consider 4b as I think I am pretty far of his EXTREMELY wide range. I ended up flatting and deciding to basically go with any flops where I pick up equity...thoughts here?

(Pot ~530) Flop K68 He fires $400 pretty quickly and I end up tank folding.

Thoughts on preflop which I guess is most interesting spot?
yea, I mean you can't really play fit or fold in this spot. but we don't really know if this guy is a thinking player who is capable of folding to our shove. This could just lead to us getting it in bad a lot of the time
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07-27-2013 , 01:12 AM
fold pick a better spot to 4bet pre or to flat pre. As played either fold to 3bet or check raise flop if you have the balls
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07-27-2013 , 01:46 PM
Thinking some more... I guess if you don't mind the variance so much and because you are only 85bb deep raise more pre ($100) and shove over his 3!. I don't expect to get called by rags (unless he is doing that?) but it's like instant profit. He'll probably 3! to like $400ish... Dead money, go get it.
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07-27-2013 , 04:18 PM
Initial feeling is I dislike 4betting any amount besides shoving pre, as it sets up too many awkward scenarios with these stacks (lollive players laugh @ 4bets, we can forget about FE)

Probably folding to the 3 vs someone I've only played 2 orbits with. I question how solid a read one can have during that time to get it in 300bb's with this unless he's just stupid drunk or something.
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07-27-2013 , 05:15 PM
Easy 4 bet to $550. He will flat OOP a ton i would imagine and we have position ---so if Hero is capable postflop, we will win most of the time. Flatting is quite terrible since he cbets 100% and if we are folding on dry boards like this then it is questionable whether to even play further past his 3 bet.
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07-27-2013 , 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by AintNoLimit
Easy 4 bet to $550. He will flat OOP a ton i would imagine and we have position ---so if Hero is capable postflop, we will win most of the time. Flatting is quite terrible since he cbets 100% and if we are folding on dry boards like this then it is questionable whether to even play further past his 3 bet.
Pretty much spot on what I was thinking. I advocated a click it back tho? You prefer a bit bigger sizing ? Doesn't it accomplish the same thing and saves us a few bucks if he rips in our face ....
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07-27-2013 , 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by animal kingdom
Pretty much spot on what I was thinking. I advocated a click it back tho? You prefer a bit bigger sizing ? Doesn't it accomplish the same thing and saves us a few bucks if he rips in our face ....

Click back ok too IF you dont think he might get the wise idea that we are jerking him around. The real answer to me would be whatever bet you think he will take seriously (thus defuse his aggression) --yet be small enough that he flats with most of what he 3 bet. Most of these guys are like "ProFish". They try 3 betting like a pro, yet cant pass up seeing the flop like a fish.
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07-27-2013 , 06:24 PM
what the hell is going on here. Why is everyone excited to get this much money in pre w AT or post w/ Ace high. Your all sick. Fold, catch this man later for his entire stack when you get the goods.
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07-27-2013 , 08:44 PM
This has nothing to do with getting more money in pre with A10. The point is flatting is spew. This isn't your average 2-5 player so we have to treat him as such. In this spot our only choices are 4 bet or fold. This one hand really doesn't "matter". What matters is that we play optimally vs him and his range. The optimal play here is to make him make a mistake by flatting our 4 bet. When he does that, we have already won. He will give up a TON and we collect a TON of dead money and keep initiative.
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