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10-04-2014 , 03:42 AM
I know we're only supposed to post 2 hands at a time, but I think these are pretty good ones. Can't remember all the details, so as close as I can remember:

V1 (~800): 40s white guy, rec player, passive, tends to limp and doesn't value bet (have seen him check a set and straight on the river IP on dry boards).

V2 (~200): 40s black guy, short stacker. Shoves any TP type hands on flop.

Hero (covers): probably viewed as TAG.

Hand 1:
Folds to Hero (MP) raises to 20 with AKo. V1 (BTN) calls, V2 (SB) calls, BB calls.

Flop (80): KT4
SB, BB check, Hero bets 60, V1 calls, V2 shoves ~180, BB folds. Hero?

I'm guessing V2 has a K, possibly a set if he got lucky, but I'm never folding to him here. Best guess for V1 is that he's on a heart draw.

I won't spoil it yet, but V2 berated my play after the hand. I think I did right, but would like to get opinions.
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10-04-2014 , 05:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tiltn'noob
I know we're only supposed to post 2 hands at a time, but I think these are pretty good ones. Can't remember all the details, so as close as I can remember:

V1 (~800): 40s white guy, rec player, passive, tends to limp and doesn't value bet (have seen him check a set and straight on the river IP on dry boards).

V2 (~200): 40s black guy, short stacker. Shoves any TP type hands on flop.

Hero (covers): probably viewed as TAG.

Hand 1:
Folds to Hero (MP) raises to 20 with AKo. V1 (BTN) calls, V2 (SB) calls, BB calls.

Flop (80): KT4
SB, BB check, Hero bets 60, V1 calls, V2 shoves ~180, BB folds. Hero?

I'm guessing V2 has a K, possibly a set if he got lucky, but I'm never folding to him here. Best guess for V1 is that he's on a heart draw.

I won't spoil it yet, but V2 berated my play after the hand. I think I did right, but would like to get opinions.
How on God's green earth can you read the shover for a set in this spot when you state in the OP that he shoves TP??? In this spot and on this board his range is super wide to include a ton of FDs, SDs, pair + FD, FD + SD, and TPGK combos as well as sets...

So against that range this is a trivial call with TPTK.

As for the passive player, it would be a mistake for us to repop it given he's such a tight ass with his premiums. We can just flat the shove since the shove is significant and I'd expect V1 to fold majority of the time. If he calls, then warning bells should sound in our head and we should just try to make it to showdown as cheap as possible given how much of a tight passive trappy trappy he has shown himself to be...

So easy call and in the event V1 also flats, we pot control and try to get to showdown as cheap as possible. And if V2 has a set, meh, whatever. But given your profiling in the OP we shouldn't be scared of V2's shove in the least given all the combos of hands we beat that he could EASILY shove with here...
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10-04-2014 , 11:42 AM
Grunch:

I call. We could raise to iso and price out V1's FDs, but that really feels like overplaying our hand here.

Are either of our cards a heart?
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10-04-2014 , 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by dgiharris
How on God's green earth can you read the shover for a set in this spot when you state in the OP that he shoves TP???
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So against that range this is a trivial call with TPTK.
Quote:
Originally Posted by tiltn'noob
I'm guessing V2 has a K, possibly a set if he got lucky, but I'm never folding to him here.
It was late/(early?), and you probably didn't read the post that carefully.



Quote:
Originally Posted by Garick
Are either of our cards a heart?
Good question: No.

Rest of action:
Spoiler:
Flop (cont):
...Hero calls, V1 thinks a bit, and calls.

Turn (620) J
Hero checks, V1 bets 250, Hero folds.

River irrelevant. V2 shows AK and V1 shows Ax (can't remember the actual holding) and scoops.

After the hand, V2 is livid with me for not reshipping the flop. I just shrug and don't say anything, but wanted to check if my play was correct.
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10-04-2014 , 01:04 PM
Yeah, reshipping the flop with TPTK would require a better read that V2 is FOS, and more certainty that V1 is on a draw and not slow playing 2p+, imo.

That said, letting the table know what you had is horrible here. Assuming that V1 was berating you because you let it be known that you folded AK, you should never be letting them know that folding AK is even possible.
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10-04-2014 , 01:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Garick
Yeah, reshipping the flop with TPTK would require a better read that V2 is FOS, and more certainty that V1 is on a draw and not slow playing 2p+, imo.

That said, letting the table know what you had is horrible here. Assuming that V1 was berating you because you let it be known that you folded AK, you should never be letting them know that folding AK is even possible.
No, I absolutely did not say what I had, I never do. V2 asked if I had AA, then AK, I just shrugged.

Even if we see V1s cards, we still want him to draw and miss, correct? I want him to call, then I shove the turn if it's a non-heart.
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10-04-2014 , 02:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tiltn'noob
Even if we see V1s cards, we still want him to draw and miss, correct? I want him to call, then I shove the turn if it's a non-heart.
Yup. If we were a little deeper, I wouldn't shove the turn, but rather bet about 2/3 pot. Here, 2/3 pot leaves so little behind that we might as well shove.
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10-04-2014 , 02:32 PM
This is the easiest call in the world. You have an SPR of 2.2 (180/80) and TPTK. My money is beating the Villain's into the pot in this spot.

Even if he shoves 180 into 80 I'm not folding.

If he was bluffing he's really really bad. Isn't he supposed to put you on AK which is never folding?
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