Villain in this hand is a 55ish asian male. I've sat there about an hour with him. He raises a bit bigger than the norm preflop 30+. The only hand of significance was when he called a 25 preflop raise, and pf raiser made a cont bet of about 25 into 50 on A 9♠ 3♠ Villain raised to 175, PFR showed an A, villain showed A♠ 10♠

2/5 nl 300-1000 Effective stacks 550. One ep limp and folds around to villain on the btn who raises to 30. 30 was his min. standard preflop raise for the last hour I have been playing at the table. He has raised to 40-50 when some limpers came in.

Im in the small blind with K K♠ and 3 bet to 75.

I sized down my raise because I did not want him to fold. I realize many people will say raise more especially because I am out of position. I did not see him call a 3 bet yet so I sized down. Ep limper folds and villain pretty quickly calls 75.

flop 10 9 7♣ I bet 75 and he fairly quickly raises to 300.

I have 400 left. I realize I block a bunch of combinations of the nut flush draw. I realize its a pretty big raise to make if he has a set. I just hate putting the rest of my chips in here with no fold equity and allowing him to get 2 more cards for help, if im not dead already. Also he may have chose not to 4 bet AA and bet it this big on the turn. My best scenario is he cant get away from QQ or JJ. I would appreciate hearing your thought process when deciding to make this call.

Way more pre, OOP 550eff you are giving him way too good a price to see a flop

AP fold flop, this board is terrible for your range, he has all straights, 2p, sets on the btn. Once in a while he will be drawing but you block both heart and club draws anyway

+1

yeah it's gross but it's a fold

Raise larger pre, you're giving him good implied odds + turning your hand face up + when you got larger, the pot is larger on the folp, making it easier for him to get potstuck and stack off. $100 pre is good.

On the flop you should check, there is no reason to bet this flop with your hand. As played, there is $700 in the pot and you have to put in $400 so you need 37% equity, vs 9xTx,QhJh,AhJh,Ah8h,Ah7h,77,99,TT you have 26% equity, add in JJ you have 40% equity, so he has to be raising one pair hands here for it to be good for you to get it in. I doubt he is, so I would fold.

Sick spot ,, I like a check on this particular board against specific player types , such as types that are capable of bluff raising here , oop pre yeah a bigger 3 may have made it a bit easier to play on the flop, I figure it's player dependant but without reads not an easy spot , how many streets are we hoping we can bet for value here ? Certainly not all , 2 may be pushing it ? So why not let one come down keeps his bluffs in his range and re-evaluate different board textures while keeping pot small

If there is flop texture to check with KhKx, this is one. I’d check/call flop and evaluate action from there.

As played, I’d discount QQ/JJ raising this quickly. Even 8h7h is a favorite, and if you think he could flat AA pre, there are 6 more combos that are ahead. Sets are hard to flop but even if we throw in 3-4 combos, I think this makes it a B/F.

I'll take the other side of this one..

I agree with more preflop...and checking the flop sometimes, although probably not against this guy. And as played I'm jamming against this particular guy.

If I checked against this guy, Id be crai if he bet

Check flop??? Someone explain idea please


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Gotta agree with Mike. I can't believe everyone is advocating b/f. V has way too many draws and combo hands to b/f here... and we're not that deep. I'm jamming flop all day here against this particular V.

It is my experience that "way more pre" folds out everything but the tippy top of his range here. If I make it 100 + I think he continues w AK, QQ+. But I dont know, is that what I want? I think i am a good post flop hand reader in a situation like this one. Thanks for your thoughts.

I have went larger in this spot for years, unless the villain is very loose 100+ is folding him out in my experience. I am trying to play a hand heads up out of position with KK is that bad?

If he is folding JJ-99/KQs type hands to a raise to $100-$120 then he is a weak player who you should be bluffing relentlessly, assuming his raising range isn't nit-tight in the first place.

QQ+,AK is 34 combos of hands. There is $42 in the pot already, so if you raise to $100 he needs to continue with 42% of his range to not let you 3bet any two cards, which is 81 combos, which works out to like 99+, AQ+, AJs, KQs, QJs. If his range is looser than that (which it is probably on the button), you can 3bet any two cards here. Are you 3betting any two cards here? If not, you're either wrong about his continuing range or you're wrong to not 3bet.

And once you start 3betting any two cards here, trust me - you'll be able to 3bet KK for value as well.

Again, I would expect a bigger 3 bet pre to fold out too much of his range. I dont understand why I would check this board unless I am check raising for value. I didnt know if he was likely to bet so I bet for value. I dont think the flop is scarey enough to suggest a check? Considering my small 3 bet I think KhKx is still ahead of his preflop calling range. thanks for your thoughts...

More pre and stick it in his eye now

Bet/call(shove) or x/stuff doesn’t really matter. More pre and you wouldn’t be looking for an excuse to fold an overpair in a 3bet pot on a wet connected board.

sure, 150 pre only get called by better, no need for the post... is that really how you play it?

100-120 would do.

15 over the limper and 25-35 cbet looks pretty standard.

Agree that a 15 cbet is masterminding and not a good idea.

I believe you posted this in the wrong thread.

Didn’t realize our only option was $75 or $150. The straw man is strong in you.

I explained a bunch of times I believe bet more pre folds him out. I understand many people advocate that though. I raised 2.5 to keep him in. Why would I bet more pre when I expect that to lose him? Would you rather get a fold or play KK post flop?

I made the post to read how thinking players play the hand post flop, basically continue or fold based on the information I have on the villain. Maybe I'm posting in the wrong place.

More pre sports fan

Read post 13, OP.

As played I'd just shove, but like everyone else I hate that pre-flop sizing. Just make it 110 or something like that. As played pre I'd likely check/call the flop.

I agree you don't wanna go huge preflop if he's capable of folding. I prefer 90 but don't think 75 is too bad. Your flop bet is fine. I'd get it in when he raises. PokerSnowie agrees...

According to Pokersnowie checking preflop is slightly inferior to betting 1/2 pot which is optimal. As you get deeper this becomes a flop check but with a stack/pot ratio around 3 i think you wanna just bet and get it in. CRAI is also good if he is the type that likes to stab at pots when he misses.