this hand is a really good example why you don't play 32s pre...

don't see how we can do anything but call turn and eval river.

I'd forget about that hand pretty quickly bc there is way more money just waiting for you to take it. That one hand won't break you. gg.

The problem with nut low FD is that there are max no of flush combos above you. Old nitty men don't bluff OOP on a two tone straightening board without a piece. I think this is KJss and K9ss alot, hoping that you have second nut. His turn bet is for value. 200bb effective, I muck and feel pretty good about it.

Grunch:

Fold pre.

On the turn there is $250 in the pot.
V bets $250, and we are going to call $250 more, putting $750 into the pot.
We will have $650 more.. so ship it? I mean, when we called with 32s we wanted to hit a straight or a flush, we hit our flush, the board is super draw heavy, and there are some good second best hand that V can have. Esp considering that we are perceived as a very laggy player. V can think that we are betting the flop weak and his straight might be good.
He can have a set, straight + flush draw, two pair + flush draw, and of course better flushes.

We are going to lose everything to a better flush every time. That's just the consequence of us playing 32s so whatever. Lets get money in vs the rest of his range.

I mean, he can't really really fold any of his strong hands for $650 into $1,400 getting 2.2:1 against you.

Solid. Agree with ship turn. I lost value by calling turn to minimize risk and play river perfectly if he jams or checks since I have history with him. He blocked on the turn and I called so I missed a chunk of value by lowering the risk. Results are posted if you didn't see em.

Its a pretty big difference between 2-3 suited and 5-6 suited- but thats not my point. My point is that playing 2-3 suited is a stretch, even on the button and predictable villains. I just cant see many good scenarios when we choose to play this hand- i just dont. Cant you also see it? You pretty much flopped as good as you can with this hand, and still you dont know if you want to go with the hand. That is pretty much a disaster in my book.


If the pot is looking to go multiway i think 5-6 suited plays okay on the button, especially if we suspect open raiser has a premium hand like KK AK or AA. (we can get paid of huge if we hit). I also like 3 betting with 5-6 suited on the button some portion of the times, especially if deep stacked an/if we suspect villains isnt at the top of his range and we can generate some fold equity preflop.

Playing 23s pre flop when you had a chance to fold and arguing for folding turn after a flopped flush seems bad.

I think we have to call turn.

Just avoid by folding pre really..

Call call seems very standard for me;

and you are all insane thinking that shipping the turn is most +EV. lol are you trying to give him a chance to fold 2p?

ya wtf at shipping turn.

Turn seems pretty close between call and fold but lean towards a call. As played on the river I like a ship but only because of your image and his bet sizing.

The problem with 32s is that you can't really ever be okay playing super big pots with it and it flops like half as many big hands as 54-JTs do, so its implied odds are godawful -- and worse even in a massively multiway pot. I'm by no means a nit, but I'd honestly rather have K5s here.

lol
You'd rather have the nuts than the non nuts?

I mean, I mostly get what you are saying with the 32s vs some of the other suited connectors, but saying that you'd rather have the nuts is sort of useless.. we'd all always rather have the nuts.

117 out of 118 times you'll get a worse flop and you'll be hoping to get people to fold, with no blockers to a good hand, and a lousy hand yourself.

The sad thing to your audience is that you're not feeling bad about pre-flop which is what created the situation. The secret, to feeling better, isn't to start value-betting hands that you're not convinced are best.

Yeah, my point is there are a ****ton more hands you could comfortably play for big pots with Kxs rag than with 32s (a big pot is always going to be marginal even vs the biggest fish with 32s), so it's a bad IO hand.

I realize that it's been said a billion times in this thread, but I thought it was worth mentioning because most people who've posted here err on the side of nitty -- I'm almost as aggro as OP is, and I still wouldn't feel okay playing this hand.