V (MP, $1,380): late 20's white guy, reasonably tight but has been mixing it up with a maniac by using large preflop 3 bets.

H (SB, covers): mid-30's white guy, seen as splashy and aggressive. Has mainly been clashing with the maniac and is up $2,500 on the session.

Folds to V who makes it $25, H calls in the SB with 5d5c.

Flop ($55): AhQs5h. Hero checks, V bets $40, H makes it $120, V makes it $290, H makes it $825, V goes all in for $530 more.

Hero?

Thoughts on our strategy here with bottom set 280BB deep? Do we want to slow down the hand on a drawy board or are we just trying to get it in?

I'm not slowplaying but once we get 3bet otf to 290 alarm bells should be going off, I prolly flat/Eval there. Would he really play TP/2P this way? He can play all his AA/QQ fast and he can't have AhKh and this guy is relatively tight I don't like the flop 4bet/6bet gii?

Dude it's going in. Sometimes you gotta one out a fool, but AQ and nut hearts and pair+2 nut heart are all part of his lfg range. Next time, let us know where the maniac is seated relative to you two - it makes a (small) difference.

Fold pre

Flop I'm not re-raising after he makes it 290. As played are you talking about folding to the $530? Cause if so, no obviously don't fold after you put in 70% of your stack with a set.

Fold pre, unless the maniac is in the BB AND he rarely 3 bets.

Maniac was on a smoke break (and in EP).

If you want to just call to the 290, what is your plan for the turn? Safe to say that V is going to blast basically every single card (save, perhaps, for a heart). Are you planning to fold out your set against some turns or just give yourself heartburn when the turn is ugly and you still get it in?

And, ya, I'm basically never ever folding pre here. The idea that I can't profitably play pocket fives when this deep is unfathomable to me.

Wow, what a spot.

Just about the best you could have hoped for and you are behind QQ and AA. Tight villain open to 25.

I have to call it off obviously, but wouldn't be surprised if he shows up with QQ. If not, fade the hearts and continue a monster sesh....

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Gross spot. Go for the soul read?

when he makes it 290, that is the decision point to either go with it or fold.

I think V would have slowed down if he had AA, so the only hand that we are worried about is QQ. that's it. the only hands that we beat are AK and AQ. you are repping either a big combo draw, AK, AQ, A5, or 55. let's give V credit for AQ, the strongest hand that we are still beating. He would have made it 400 ish if he had AQ. 290 is soooo valuey.

In a splashy game where a maniac is bombing away with two overs and a gutshot, it is unthinkable to lay down a set in a heads up pot, so don't blame you for calling it off.

fold after V makes it 290.

as played, go with it for that price.

Call the 290 first time round.

Can't see a fold happening when its $530 more.

I don't understand why some posters are advocating a fold pre. Set mining for $20 more with $1300 effective stacks seems fine to me. When do you guys decide to set mine or not ?

1)Being out of position makes it hard to get value the 1-7.5 you flop a set 2)the fact the that the villain is at least reasonable means they might not pay you off with a overpair and 3)55 is on the low side of pp,increasing the likelihood that you get set over set.

For example we have flopped what should be a dream scenario and vs. a tighter range of AA,QQ,AKh,10Jh,K10h and all combos of AQ,we are a 50.3-49.7 dog.Ot obviously doesn’t take much spew to make this profitable but with the action on the flop,I think this is a solid range.

Do you fold 55 and less even in position?

If you advocate just calling the 290, what is your plan for later streets?

Presumably you are checking 100% of the time, and now give V the free option to either blast away or check away and get two streets to realize his equity (recall that you are out of position).

If you are never folding then why give him free options? If you are willing to fold, then what does calling the flop accomplish? Are you really going to check fold the turn to a 450 bet on a blank after calling 290 on the flop?

Curious what AL thinks here.

My take is that 22-66 is harder to be profitable than it seems deep out of the blinds.

In position though? With no limpers I’d be raising all PP’s in late position pre.

With a limper or two I’d be betting 6-8x pre often with hands as low as 55 in a deep game.

The difference playing the low PP’s OOP instead of in position is pretty massive.

This.

Flatting 55 likely HU oop,you are extremely capped on these board textures.As the Preflop aggressor you can better rep a variety of boards.This is why a lot of pros will impliment a three bet or fold strategy out of the Sb when there is no “friendly player” in the big.As played you are at the top of your range and have to get the money in.

Still never folding pairs in soft games to a single bet with action for the street almost closed.

It would be hard to say how soft the game is, if not for the maniac...who is currently sitting out.

This.

Again, you flopped a set with 55. What else could you have possibly hoped for thats better than that!

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Folding pre against a capable V raising a tight range. This guy isn’t making it $290 with AQ. And he certainly isn’t jamming with it after you 3! the flop.

I’m very V-dependent when deciding whether to mine with baby pairs. The fishier the better.