Villain is a ~60year old eastern European guy who bought Himself into this Game with 2000$. He plays his draws super aggressive like raising a 25bb Bet to 200bb and is in General sticky if he acts Strong. He can find folds, but is mostly Sticking with his hands. (I played with him for 6hours, but haven`t been involved with him much)
-> spewy with draws
-> can get crazy with weird hands, but can make some decent laydowns .. depends on mood
-> folds some hands preflop, raises some hands preflop, but mostly limps. He raises 88+ preflop (maybe 88 not always, but I would guess so)

Relevant History (20 Minutes ago)

5limpers
Villain Limps in Co
Hero (AhQd) raises 20$ OTB
Every one folds - Villain calls

-450eff-
QsTd5d
V Check
Hero Bet 30
Villain raises 330
Hero all in (close, but he is to capable and he would probably raise less with a nutted hand)
Villain had J9o and my Hand holds.



The Hand in question

6 Limpers (Villain is OTB)
Hero (SB) 33 Check

-1k eff-
Flop 3s4h8s
Hero Bet 15
Folds to Villain (Btn)
Villain raise to 120
Hero ?
...

The 8d on the flop turned to the 8s on the turn and back to the 8d on the river. I'm assuming it's supposed to be the 8s?

You're not flipping vs. a combo draw. You're ahead of it enough that GII against 6s5s would be an awesome result. I'd be worried about 44 if we GII for $2k on the flop, though, unless he could do it with just the NFD or worse made hands. Since you said he's sticky I'd really like to 3! to $300 or something.

tought spot, because you are too deep to reraise and then fold the turn when the wet board hits. but you are missing out of so much value if he don't get more money in now.

flat the 120.

turn bricks, check to him. he bets like 300, then I would min CR whatever his original bet was.

turn hits, C/C.

re-eval river.

I typed this on my phone and had errors in there. I also edited my post, because the actual outcome may makes the influences the decision otf, so I left out the Turn and River as the flop is the most interesting spot, imo.

Getting it in here vs 6s5s is a disaster. We are not ahead and I don`t flip with whales for 400bb in limped pots.

Exactly my line of thought. But I guess that I c/f OTT if he bets big on a spade turn.

Interesting here is that he doesn`t care about the sizing at all if I ship it. He will call regardless if he wants to go with his hand. I would consider shipping with 44 OTF. I am not so sure about 33 here, but his range is wide and may includes some dumb **** like K8o, which he may calls here as well .. putting me on a draw.

You're a 60/40 favorite against that hand. If you're not willing to get it in with that kind of edge, leave the table immediately. You're playing scared.

There's no shame in saying, "this is too deep for me to play" and leave. Much smarter than to play badly so you can avoid a big loss.

You guys are totally right .. Sorry.
Shame on me, I thought it`s pretty close to 50-50.

With that in mind .. This is a ship OTF vs this drooler, because he will call with a lot of dump ****.

I'm playing with this guy until he or I pass out at the table.

I'm raising/all in regardless of stack size. You've got a good enough read to go with your hand here, if you ends up having 44/88 then its all good, just a cooler.

Really don't like flatting because of potential scare cards that might kill the action.

Theres no point to ship it all in if he folds his draws to aggression. I havent seen anything to suggest this guy calls a huge all in with a draw, he seems to be the kind of player who likes to believe he has fold equity. I would expect this player to bomb it again on the turn. I would flat flop and then check raise all in on none spade turns.

If hes spewy enough to call all ins with draws as well, then by all means, ship it.

Are you 200 or 400 bbs deep (your title says 400 and your post says 200)?

Raise to $350 and don't fold.

420

This just seems like "pick a number" math.

$250 makes a pot of $520, followed by a turn jam of $745
$300 makes a pot of $620, followed by a turn jam of $695
$350 makes a pot of $720, followed by a turn jam of $645
$400 makes a pot of $820, followed by a turn jam of $595

Which of those has the highest likelyhood of being called by the most hands?

$350 is looking like the sweet spot to me.

If he calls AI with a draw. Ship it.
Your flop bet screams strength to me. I'd bet more than half pot with 5 people behind.
Not sure if you are ever doing this without an extremely strong hand. I highly doubt it.
V may be totally unaware tho. Obviously he was with the large raise (unless it's set over set)

Flat if you know he is likely to bomb turn.
Raise if you're worried about misplaying your hand to aggression when scare cards come.

I don't like slowplaying this one. GII.

Pardon me, but how the **** does $15 into $30 in a limped pot SCREAM STRENGTH? I don't get it. Seems like a standard bet with A8, or some kind of draw looking to build a pot.

Thanks for the Responses.

I played this Kind of scared. Because in the heat of the Moment I thought we we could be flipping a lot (Combo draw), which isn`t true as we dominate a Combo draw 60-40. I wouldn`t love to get it in vs a Combo draw, but I guess it`s possible that he is way much wider than that.

Hand Plays out like this:

Limped Pot 2,5/2,5

-1k eff-

Flop 3s4h8s
Hero 3h3c (SB) bet 15
5 folds
V raises to 120
Hero calls

Thoughts: I was planning on c/shoving any blank turn. It`s a bit of a scared Play, but I felt like it wouldn`t be to good to GII for 400bb with bottom set in a limped pot, where he could have a set of fours. In retrospektive I like raising or shoving way much more.

Turn 3s4h8sJs

Hero check
Villain check

Turn brings the 3rd spade. I am done here with this Hand, if he bets any significant amout. He is a drooler, but he wouldn`t value bet anything worse than a flush here and I have never seen him represent a Flush, when he actually is on another draw. I don`t think he has it in him. After his check back I think I am ahead a lot here and plan to bet/f river for like half pot, if something decent Comes of on the river.

River 3s4h8sJsAc
Hero bet 115
Villain call

MHIG
Easy b/f spot. It took him some time, till he made the call.

i dont know how deep we are but, if it's only 1000, not raising the flop is a disaster

raise to about 350

Damn, that Js killed the action, which is way you should have raised the flop.

Did he show? Must of had A8 or the likes.

I don't think this is a bet/fold on the river, no way this guy is checking back a made flush on the turn, or a set. If he jammed the river I'd most likely call.

No he didn´t Show. Yeah I guess it was A8,84,43 or A2/A5 that he played super aggressive OTF.

On the b/f part .. Yes and no. He is a chaser and someone that overplays draws, I have never seen him make a play OTR. It`s unlikely that he doesn`t bet a flush OTT but it`s as unlikely that he makes a play with 56o OTR, imo.