Open Side Menu Go to the Top
Register
2/5 1k max value line check 2/5 1k max value line check

04-14-2017 , 06:29 AM
H - image - been playing tag for about 2 hrs, running good, playing solid. Won a couple of medium pots at showdown. Have hit a lot of flops and have been betting them aggressively with bet sizing on the large size, following up with turn barrels and getting a lot of folds

V- seems like a semi competent reg, haven't seen him get out of line, he did open to 3x with a9os from mp which I was slightly suprised at. Generally I'd give him credit for being pretty solid. Should also note I had beaten v in a couple of medium sized pots and he had just seat changed to be directly to my left.

9 handed 2/5 game 1k buy in
Eff stacks 850

H in co k10ss
V on btn

H opens to 20, v calls

Flop(45) 1064ss

H bets 40, v calls

Turn(125) js
H?

My question is what line is gonna extract most value here, normally I'd keep on betting, but do I get more value from checking here to give him a chance to bluff?

I feel I'm getting action from all flushes regardless but betting obviously folds out most potential bluffs in v's range.

Cheers
2/5 1k max value line check Quote
04-14-2017 , 07:22 AM
the hard thing here is if villain will shove all flushes or raise all flushes. He flats a late position open and you seen him open A9o.

OK so he is wide pre. He didnt raise the NFD, if he had one on flop, we assume he has to do that some frequency. He also might not have a combo draw as well for same reasons.

This leaves us mainly with T9-AT, sets, and flushes.

I want to bet here but im not sure thats best play. I think Ill check this back on turn. If he has a small flush hes betting anyways on turn an we can call and see river. If he checks behind I think we can lead river for a PSB and get called.
2/5 1k max value line check Quote
04-14-2017 , 09:12 AM
Bet ffs unless there is some sort of read not mentioned

You can induce with a smaller, pot control appearing betsize ya know
2/5 1k max value line check Quote
04-14-2017 , 09:21 AM
Smaller flop sizing, $25-$30, which may also to serve to induce.

As played, $65 for value vs. top part of V range: AcTx/JT/66/44/64s. May even have QQ.

Don't over think this, they either have a hand or they don't, Besides, there's not a history of him getting crazy agg.
2/5 1k max value line check Quote
04-14-2017 , 09:38 AM
I like checking. The other option is betting small (bit less than halfpot) partly to get value from hands like random tens and partly to possibly induce a bluff raise, however most villains will not bluffraise here and this guy in particular doesn't sound likely to.
2/5 1k max value line check Quote
04-14-2017 , 09:39 AM
You've gotta build up pot for a river bet. If you want to do something weird like step down your bet to $30 and then bet more than pot on river, that's much much better than checking. As a default I'm normally going to bet either like 85 if I think I have a bad bluffy image or 55 if I'm seen as more of a rock.
2/5 1k max value line check Quote
04-14-2017 , 10:08 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pocketzeroes
You've gotta build up pot for a river bet. If you want to do something weird like step down your bet to $30 and then bet more than pot on river, that's much much better than checking. As a default I'm normally going to bet either like 85 if I think I have a bad bluffy image or 55 if I'm seen as more of a rock.
Can you name a single hand that you plan to get two streets of value from that isn't betting the turn if you check?
2/5 1k max value line check Quote
04-14-2017 , 11:02 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisV
Can you name a single hand that you plan to get two streets of value from that isn't betting the turn if you check?
As a default, I expect villains to check back turns when the flush comes a lot - way more than they should.... except when they have the flush.

So yes I think TJ and sets will sometimes check back turn but will call two bets.

Last edited by pocketzeroes; 04-14-2017 at 11:07 AM.
2/5 1k max value line check Quote
04-14-2017 , 01:14 PM
Unless I know V is the "You check? I bet!" type of bad LAG I would just keep betting and not hold back the sizing. We should mostly be barreling with the 2nd nuts or else it could become harder to get bluffs through.
2/5 1k max value line check Quote
04-14-2017 , 04:01 PM
6 4 T J K

All gone. Leaves A 2 3 5 7 8 9 Q

So here preflop action states he can all the restive NFDs, 53,57,78,97 Q8.

He's not playing a set this way. He either has air/float he folds to anything or he calls down imo with all flushes we beat including the NFD.

If we check to Vil she has to bet to protect her low FDs at a very high frequency. Easier for us to make a move with less risk while still getting stacks IMO
2/5 1k max value line check Quote
04-14-2017 , 05:35 PM
Check turn to either tank and ch/c or ch/r depending on v bet size. Lead 2/3 pot on bricked rivers


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
2/5 1k max value line check Quote
04-19-2017 , 06:16 AM
Pretty standard, I bet he folded but interesting to get some ideas
2/5 1k max value line check Quote
04-19-2017 , 10:24 AM
The merit in checking isn't to get him to bluff, it's to keep his medium/ weak showndown hands in the hopes to get another street of value on the river. Getting him to bluff is just bonus money and shouldn't be expected.

Unless it's a flush over flush or set situation, it's impossible to get 3 streets of value from a worse hand on his texture. You're also probably pot controlling a ton of hands here, and not bluffing enough, making a turn bet super value heavy.
2/5 1k max value line check Quote
04-19-2017 , 11:29 AM
Bet 75
2/5 1k max value line check Quote
04-19-2017 , 01:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisV
Can you name a single hand that you plan to get two streets of value from that isn't betting the turn if you check?
Also, FWIW, one way to increase my chances of getting two streets from rec players has been taking lines where I bet turn really small then I bomb the river. The idea basically being that the first bet is supposed to look like a feeler bet, and the bomb river is supposed to look like a bet I never expect them to call after they only called the turn.

Against good players, I actually do the same thing as a bluff with some success.
2/5 1k max value line check Quote
04-19-2017 , 01:50 PM
My default is to keep betting to build a pot. I check to aggro opponents sometimes. Getting paid is really just going to come down to your opponent having a strong enough hand to call you with.
2/5 1k max value line check Quote
04-19-2017 , 02:35 PM
Pre looks good.

Flop fine.

Checking not terrible either with TP+FD because:

-Playing against a reg who you see about a lot, to show you cant just be pushed off your hand on this texture OOP.
-Keeping in KJ K9s etc is nice.
-On this texture people will do a lot of the vbetting for you to protect against overcards with 76s 88 etc.
-Delay cbetting looks FOS to anyone half-thinking, to get looked up by someone tilting with Ace High
-Nice to experiment deay cbetting these type of boards where youre gonna rarely have anything, to see how light you get called.
-I think you're FT now (?) so in £2/£5 games youre gonna be playing vs a lot of the same faces who will remember you.

If it were to check through and you delay stab I'd show it face-up as if ifs a big deal to reinforce this.

Turn, I see what you're trying to do but I'd just bet. It doesnt need to be huge either, nobody's folding Tx to 2/3pot. Good rule of thumb whenever its close consider betting smaller.

Lol at A9o, london live poker aint dead. See you around soon hopefully.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
2/5 1k max value line check Quote
04-19-2017 , 04:27 PM
Bet ofc. I like 80.
2/5 1k max value line check Quote

      
m