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01-16-2018 , 06:15 PM
Hero is reg, been on the table with V for 3-4 hours, haven't shown a bluff.

V is a bad reg, had played and showdown two 2k+ pot, both sucked out on the river with 3 outs (allin ott), and 2 outs. (77 vs AK, 3bet pre, board runs out Kxx-A-7)

OTTH - Hero starts about 2.4K, V has 3K.

Flop, V limp utg and 2 other limpers, Hero raised AcKc to 35 in the btn. BB, and all 3 limpers called.

($170) - Flop Kh9c7c, checked to btn bet $90, only V tank called. I could V was little struggled between folding and calling. I think this could be the best flop for H, but as there are 4 callers, there could be some different type of straight draws/two pair draws, also people might flop set 7s. (I don't expect anyone has KK, and very rarely some one could have 99). This bet is for value and info as well.

($350) - Turn Qd, V checked, H checked and try to get value on the river. This is definitely one of the worst card H don't want to see. KQ turned two pairs, JT turned straight. I can only see better hands check-call or check raise the turn. If it's a smaller pot, I think this V would call with KJ, KT? But this one, my bet would be somewhere between $170-$220, not expected V to call this with KJ/KT.

($350) - River 7s, V quickly lead $295, I feel his bet is quit strong, and not like a bluff. But I dont think V had KQ (he would raise pre), so maybe JT?Hero should??

Also for the turn check, is it good? I think the tough river decision is caused by the turn check.
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01-16-2018 , 06:22 PM
he's extremely sticky why not bet the turn to maximize value against him? It also gives you the option to check back the river if you need to.

as played call.
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01-16-2018 , 06:22 PM
I don't see how we don't V bet turn against a guy like this. So many draws and worse pairs we can get value from. We're also still drawing to the nuts. As played, that river looks like it helped V, but I think his lower Kings and whiffed draws can lead out as well. Fairly easy can IMO.
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01-16-2018 , 06:25 PM
I bet bigger on the flop, probably $120-$135.

Why don't you think V would call with KJ or K10 on the turn? There are also a lot of straight draws and flush draws in his calling range.

Since you checked the turn your hand is under repped and probably need to call. He might have some 7's in his range and he might even show up with k9 or something silly.
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01-16-2018 , 06:33 PM
Definitely betting the turn against this guy (and bet a little bigger on flop). As played, call river. That bet size looks a little bluffy, but who knows? What have his other bet sizes been?
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01-16-2018 , 08:40 PM
Usually betting this turn unless I think they are capable of bluff raising me. Checking sometimes is okay.

As played, call the bet on the river. It does look valuey but we've underrepresented our hand and we may have induced a bluff by checking back the turn.
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01-16-2018 , 09:31 PM
Limp call pre looks more like A4/54cc. Should bet/fold the turn. I call, its either monster or bluff obv but he has enough missed draws to call.

In game you have a better feel for game flow, tendanciea ect. so I don't mind a fold since most large river bets are strong, especially when they whiffed a check raise on the turn.
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01-16-2018 , 09:35 PM
We have the A

I probably call but after 3-4 hours you need to have some kind of idea what this guys PFR range looks like and what he does with random broadway hands like KQ.
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01-16-2018 , 10:35 PM
Its so improbable you don't bet the turn here with AKcc it didn't register in my brain. For real
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01-16-2018 , 11:58 PM
The reason I checked the turn cuz the turn bet would be too strong, and also in position, I don't expect V would call with KT/QT or other kind of draws here. Yes, he is sticky, but not that bad. My plan was trying to bet small if flush hit otr for value also induce a bluff, and bet huge for brick as it looks bluffy. I don't expect V would lead for a big bet if he had a Kx hand or missed draws, it is just too bluffy, and I may call with even worse hand. I was debating on the river because V's river bet is polarized. My image on the table - I wouldn't bet QQ/JJ/AQ type hand on this 5 way flop, he should know this which means my hand, instead of underrep, it may actually face up. V actually try to max value on the river.
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01-17-2018 , 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerNoob@
The reason I checked the turn cuz the turn bet would be too strong, and also in position, I don't expect V would call with KT/QT or other kind of draws here. Yes, he is sticky, but not that bad. My plan was trying to bet small if flush hit otr for value also induce a bluff, and bet huge for brick as it looks bluffy. I don't expect V would lead for a big bet if he had a Kx hand or missed draws, it is just too bluffy, and I may call with even worse hand. I was debating on the river because V's river bet is polarized. My image on the table - I wouldn't bet QQ/JJ/AQ type hand on this 5 way flop, he should know this which means my hand, instead of underrep, it may actually face up. V actually try to max value on the river.
Are you ever betting the turn with a bluff?
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01-17-2018 , 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by thin_slicing
Are you ever betting the turn with a bluff?
I do, but not shown or caught in this session at all. I have no bluff been caught in this session, and only show down 3 times in allin situation two with set, and one with over pair.
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01-17-2018 , 01:01 PM
flop looks like $115 given multiway. Prob take it down right there and be a bit sad.

You do need to bet the turn IMO as that will almost definitely end things then and there. With that board, given PF action, a turn bet would be SUPER value heavy. I'm trying to come up with bluffs that would lead flop and turn and it would be extremely difficult come up with. As you said JTcc and hh would lead flop and turn, but that's now value oriented on the turn as you made a straight. The only other combos would be QJcc/hh, but those would be less inclined to lead turn as you made a decent hand with some equity on the turn (pair of queens with straight draw or maybe flush draw if QJcc). So this would leave us with only two combos of bluffs with T8cc/hh on the flop that MIGHT play this way once in a while. Still those T8hh/cc preflop raising to 35 would be a bit speculative and a stretch of imagination, but not impossible.

So, all in all. I would say leading that turn would be mega strong. You probably have the worst hand you should still play this way, which is TPTK with nut flush draw.

If he calls that hypothetical turn bet, hope for a XX river. If he leads river after that turn call and same run out happens. Fold.

AP.... holy ****, hate your life. IDK man. I guess call and win with a higher two pair? He doesn't have many 7's (only A7hh cuz quads should not be like this), idk you beat Q9hh, you/the board block any K9 possbilities, you shouldn't really be worries about KQ because you and the board block it plus he limped UTG PF. You are basically worried about JT at this point.

I don't see how JT would check the turn. I also would not be able to think this deep at the table and probably fold. However, after some really serious thought you might be good here? Sizing looks like he is trying to get the fold (that's what I size when I try to get a bluff through), he probably would go either smaller for thin value or overbet huge if he had a very good hand (again my approach usually lol)

I will say not a fun spot but i guess you call here. Results and great post!
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