Hero - should have a TAG image but been opening a bit more. Most of the players at the table know me and view me as a TAG player. However...

relevant HH:
I ran a triple barrel buff vs villain. villain limped UTG and called my button open w/ AK. i tripled Axxxx.

Villain - I'm not great at describing villains tbh. but, middle age asian guy. usually buys in for like $300. plays pretty tight. hes up a lot right now (~$2k stack). he does not usually play deep. he is more chatty than usual, probably because he's winning. see the relevant HH to get an idea of how this type of player plays.



Hero (~$900) opens from MP with KsKd
Villain (~$2k) calls from sb
V2 (~$200) calls from bb

flop (~$75) 9x4c3c
villain donks $60
V2 calls
I flat (?)
- i flat because i have position, i dont expect villain to be bluffing like ever. i dont really expect him to want to get in 200bb with a hand that i crush, and so i think keep villain's range wider is better. and again, i have position.

turn(~$250) 9x4c3c 2s
villain check
V2 check
hero bets $175
- at this point im convinced i have the best hand. villain might have like TT/JJ or something and wanted to protect his hand (hence big sizing). maybe a flush draw but i dont think he donks $60 into $75 with that. i also might have an aggro/bluffy image to villain so i assume his stronger pairs will call me at least one more time.


villain check raises all in (~$800 eff)
V2 calls (only had like $100 or something left)

hero?

note that i dont really have sets ever here. i prob raise all my sets on the flop.

Given relatively short stacks I just shove flop. Enough TT-QQ, A9-T9, etc. that play this way a non-trivial % of the time. But AP, yeah just GII OTT for the same reason (though obviously we're way behind here a hell of a lot given reads/action).

im almost 200bb deep with villain

My bad. I think you can fold this to a turn XR from this player this deep.

Given the V descript, I think this is a frustrating, but correct fold imho.

I guess there are a couple of combos behind that could take this line - AcKc/AcQc, but for the most part you are behind his range. Looks more like AcAx/99/44.

Wp until now.

After V2 calls I c/r flop. If both call you're probably up against a set I would feel.

I think I would raise/fold flop but don't think flatting is bad. As played, I like the turn bet sizing, but we need to fold now. This is a really strong line for V.

Why is this a thread?? Easy fold, no way he does this as a bluff or a worse overpair obv.

I mean I can say the same thing for half the threads you make or 90% of the threads on this forum. We all have spots we find weird or interesting

Yeah I didn’t mean it in the literal sense, meant to say it’s just a bet/fold all day at LLSNL

Why? If I am V & have 2pr+ I am going to 3! & you have 2 fold & miss opportunity to catch a king ott. If I donked with TPTK & you call, you have 90% equity foing to the turn.

The flop is 943, how does villain have two pair here?

Raise/fold flop is good, bet/fold turn is good. Villain isn't doing this with a hand we beat

yeah villain never has 2pair here. he doesnt cold call 43s from sb.

i like flatting flop in position this deep because i think we keep villains range wider. i think he sometimes does this with TT-QQ. probably a lot with sets. but i dont think he often continues with TT-QQ. maybe QQ though.

im not really calling here to set-mine on the turn. i have the best hand a lot, but vs villain, im not getting much action from worse hands. he can value donk bet TT-QQ here imo.

yeah i just mean i dont like when people comment "why is this a thread." there are many posts/threads, even by you (and other players) where i think the same. and i obviously wouldnt be posting this unless there were other thoughts going on in my head. i understand that a 150bb+ x/shove by "tight" villains are always nutted.

but i am at the very top of my range here. I have 56s here in my range (i prob play it exactly this way). but other than that, i only have overpairs. AA/KK no club are my best over pairs here.

so question is do i make the super exploitable fold here if we are confident villain is like never bluffing.

its really hard for me to accurately range this villain when he limp/calls utg with AK vs me. these villains do weird things. what does he flat SB, donk $60 into $75, and then x/shove turn for 150bb with?

It’s all about your read on villain. This is one of only two things. An overpaid you beat, like 1010-QQ or a set. I lean more toward set. As play, I’m folding.

This move is kinda horse****. Players donk with pairs/nutted hands to "see where they're at" or to make you fold so they dont get outdrawn. Neither of these scenario make sense with a turn x/r. I expect to see something truly weird like 54 that thinks he's caught up with a draw to improve his hand now.

Read is villain is passive AF.

Grunch. Once a tight V donks this flop the alarm bells are going off. I’ll call that bet but honestly looking to check back the turn and prob eval river with position.

AP snap folding.

At least one player has either a straight or a set. I'm folding to the turn jam.

Well played, assuming you bet/folded turn.

Why would you flat the flop with KK but raise all of your sets on this flop?

Also, what does this mean?
relevant HH:
I ran a triple barrel buff vs villain. villain limped UTG and called my button open w/ AK. i tripled Axxxx.

How is that a triple barrel bluff if you have TPTK?

Mike I think he means V had AK and called down all of Hero's barrels on that runout.

Oh OK

I like flop call, and turn bet. I think fold to the raise is the only option. I lean towards V has a hand like A5.

I would play a set exactly like that if I were villain, with the image You described him ...


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Fold. 2 is a bad turn card for us. Villain has 56 and A5 often (more often than sets)

Why lead with a set into the initial raiser when you know there's nearly 90% chance he's going to cbet and you can check raise him? This way you can also check-raise your draws.

I didnt catch the part about villain being passive, but his passive strat doesnt really coincide with his actions in this hand. He called down with TPTK, so now suddenly he becomes hyper aggro with a flopped set or something? Lets say he's donking out because he's scared of a draw hitting, his donkbet isnt big enough to actually force anyone off a draw so it accomplishes nothing other than sizing the pot perfectly for his opponent to just call in position and hit.

Furthermore if that is indeed his logic (bet to protect) why on earth would he then abandon that philosophy on the turn? Is anyone really flatting with the NFD on the flop then betting when checked to on a brick? All villain accomplishes now is ensuring someone see's a free card to outdraw him on the river. If he has a set he's definitely going to bet the turn again.

Personally I'm not sure we really have enough info to figure out how passive/aggressive he truly is. All we know is that his line seems FOS to me at least. In fact he may have been tilted that you tried to bluff him earlier even though he beat you, so now he's playing sheriff because you obviously never have anything.