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Why lead with a set into the initial raiser when you know there's nearly 90% chance he's going to cbet and you can check raise him? This way you can also check-raise your draws.

I didnt catch the part about villain being passive, but his passive strat doesnt really coincide with his actions in this hand. He called down with TPTK, so now suddenly he becomes hyper aggro with a flopped set or something? Lets say he's donking out because he's scared of a draw hitting, his donkbet isnt big enough to actually force anyone off a draw so it accomplishes nothing other than sizing the pot perfectly for his opponent to just call in position and hit.

Furthermore if that is indeed his logic (bet to protect) why on earth would he then abandon that philosophy on the turn? Is anyone really flatting with the NFD on the flop then betting when checked to on a brick? All villain accomplishes now is ensuring someone see's a free card to outdraw him on the river. If he has a set he's definitely going to bet the turn again.

Personally I'm not sure we really have enough info to figure out how passive/aggressive he truly is. All we know is that his line seems FOS to me at least. In fact he may have been tilted that you tried to bluff him earlier even though he beat you, so now he's playing sheriff because you obviously never have anything.

Two reasons to lead with a set. 1. Doyle says so in Supersytem. 2. Hero should have an overpair here so may come over the top making it easier to get stacks in for villain with his flopped set. Villain would sink flop to get max value from his hand. If I limp call OOP with a pocket pair against certain opponents I will lead flop with a flopped set because I know they will pay me off.

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06-03-2018 , 02:22 AM

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Tomark

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Originally Posted by russianbear13

Donk bets are very very often bad. I would guess that most players would fare better if they donk bet 0% rather than whatever percentage they are doing (even though certainly there is a time and place)

One of the easiest folds in the world is when I see a semi competent player donk into me otf. Its a set almost every time, specifically because Doyle wrote that in supersystem. It was a great strategy back when donking was much more common and was always weak made hands that good players would bluff raise into you.

Fish typically havent read supersystem, so they typically dont donk sets.

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06-03-2018 , 02:39 AM

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javi

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Originally Posted by russianbear13

Ah ok so any time someone raises it's always JJ-AA, but of course dont you dare check to them because they'll never cbet an overpair. But at the same time they'll certainly get it allin on the flop if you donk into them, got it, it all makes sense now.

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06-03-2018 , 10:03 AM

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russianbear13

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Originally Posted by javi

Wow. You’re a real a$$hole, aren’t you? Clearly you’ve never played in a game where a preflop raiser in position raises a donk bet. The check raise is a very strong play and even lots of idiots know that and won’t put more money in. Also, you get more of his money if you donk and he raises vs check raise. Punk.
Of course, everything is dependent on his range.