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07-25-2018 , 03:46 PM
Hero hasn’t played a hand yet and has $1000. Played 2 orbits with no cards.

Villain has $700-$800 and has opened 2 times already to $25 with no showdown.

Hero gets dealt AcQc in CO.

Folds to villain who opens to $25 in mid position
I 3bet to $75
Folds to him
He asks how much I have and calls

$157
2h7h6d

Villain checks
Hero?
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07-25-2018 , 03:58 PM
I'm betting more often than checking but doing both some % of the time. I'd bet anywhere from $50 to $80. This board doesn't really help him very often.

What's your 3b range in this spot?
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07-25-2018 , 04:04 PM
More pre for value (85) against someone who opens to 25 let alone opened 3 times to 25 so far. I probably check flop and play the rest of the hand as best I can, which might include calling down this one depending on things.
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07-25-2018 , 04:07 PM
Against a lot of weaker live opponents the continuation bet is probably the best play.

With no viable draw I actually like checking back the flop here. This avoids the chance for a check raise (not fun without holding a heart in your hand).

If none of the draws come in on the turn I think we call a bet or bet the turn ourselves.
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07-25-2018 , 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by mdelore
I'm betting more often than checking but doing both some % of the time. I'd bet anywhere from $50 to $80. This board doesn't really help him very often.

What's your 3b range in this spot?
Vs an unknown tt+ aqs+

IF I know them more I’ll add in 56s+ or A5s etc. but this guy was just a basic unknown.

I ended up checking back. Turn 3 and he goes 90 and I just fold.
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07-25-2018 , 04:17 PM
Call turn!
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07-25-2018 , 04:17 PM
Do you ever check back overpairs in this spot?
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07-25-2018 , 05:00 PM
This may seem nitty but any arguments for call pre vs an unknown?
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07-25-2018 , 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by bodybuilder32
This may seem nitty but any arguments for call pre vs an unknown?
Idk about anybody else but AQs is in my default 3bet range in position. I would need more info to assume a flat is the best play.

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07-25-2018 , 05:30 PM
And im cbetting this board 100% of the time heads up. With overpairs as well

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07-25-2018 , 05:38 PM
Cbet flop for about 40%. Should fold out AK, and puts his middle pairs that really just wanted to set mine in a tough spot.

I'd be more willing to check back if we had BDFD or BDSD or anything.
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07-26-2018 , 01:07 AM
Yeah bet flop for $60
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07-26-2018 , 11:16 AM
HU IP, I see no reason not to bet this flop and maybe you get a good barrel turn card too if called. Given you haven't played a hand yet, V has no read on you so would be more likely to give you credit for an overpair and fold 99-JJ say OTT.

You have a hand with very little equity so to me looks like an easy b/f on flop and probably the turn.
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07-26-2018 , 07:50 PM
Think the hand is fine. Board’s not good for your range and you have 0 backdoors, your overs might not even be good. Wp
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07-26-2018 , 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Minatorr
Think the hand is fine. Board’s not good for your range and you have 0 backdoors, your overs might not even be good. Wp
If this were a single raised pot I'd agree with you. But in a 3bet pot where we were the 3bettor, I think this flop texture needs to be a near 100% range bet, don't you? Otherwise we're just waving the white flag and letting V own us with any two unless an A, K, Q comes on the turn.
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07-26-2018 , 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by SwolyswoND
If this were a single raised pot I'd agree with you. But in a 3bet pot where we were the 3bettor, I think this flop texture needs to be a near 100% range bet, don't you? Otherwise we're just waving the white flag and letting V own us with any two unless an A, K, Q comes on the turn.
We dont have a massive range adv here, 100% range betting is a little silly. You dont have enough hands to defend here when he check-raises, i.e. the board favors him and other than you having KK/AA which he doesnt he has the slight range advantage/board favoring. I mean betting is okay here with AQcc as a mix but 100% cbetting every hand combo otf doesnt sound that reasonable

Checking here doesnt mean giving up. We should be checking some A high FD here that have SDV like AKhh/AQhh, and we can cbet the less SDV NFD like wheel aces, A10s/AJhh. We should also be checking some overpairs with hearts, like AhAx and possibly 10h10x. We should also be checking some Ahkx otf or AhQx. So if you protect your x range, no he cant own us on any turn barring A/K/Q. It’s ok to give up the bottom of your rangez
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07-26-2018 , 11:58 PM
I am with Minatorr. If we bet AQ in that board with no outs other than our overs, we are overbetting here.

Also, my baeysian hypothesis is that most people still call with AK in that spot rather than fold.
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07-27-2018 , 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by SwolyswoND
If this were a single raised pot I'd agree with you. But in a 3bet pot where we were the 3bettor, I think this flop texture needs to be a near 100% range bet, don't you? Otherwise we're just waving the white flag and letting V own us with any two unless an A, K, Q comes on the turn.
Stopped reading at this post but no, on this board AA and KK can (imo should) be in your check range. You don't need to fear straight cards and I'm not particularly worried about flush draws that are on board in a heads up pot. You check to protect your...hmm...AQs that 100% bricked the flop range. I don't think you get rid of many hands when you fire at this flop, I think overpairs continue and AK might even continue depending on the opponent.

Turn I think that call or fold are both fine, I'd generally lean towards fold because this is just bottom of my range, I have more AK in my range that I can use to bluffcatch. V likely has an overpair to the board.
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07-27-2018 , 12:01 PM
Why on earth would AA and KK be in our checkback range? It's in insanely prime spot to extract value from 88-QQ.
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07-27-2018 , 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by SwolyswoND
Why on earth would AA and KK be in our checkback range? It's in insanely prime spot to extract value from 88-QQ.
Protect checking range with other hands - and you probably can't get 3 streets any ways so checking one of the streets is fine.

It's not like we always check AA or KK but can do so some of the time. You can use maybe a watch on your wrist for moves like this and if the time is between a certain number like say every hour - it's 3:05pm you check when its between the hour and first 10 minutes of the hour. You bet every other time. Kinda silly but it keeps you balanced.

You don't need to worry about this at lower stakes where you play different players, but as you move up your player pool gets smaller and you gotta be a little tricky.

With a wide field I probably bet KK or AA every time on this flop.

Also it's really good to check AA and KK vs blasters. There are people that will go nuts if you check back this board. This player happened to be one of the players, and would stab at flops if you showed any weakness. I didn't know this until later, but still probably folding AQ here because he was double barrelling with air and I would have to get real sticky to call down with A high.
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07-27-2018 , 03:57 PM
Well my entire point is I'm not going to have a checking range on this flop texture IP in a 3bet pot. If we were OOP or in a single raised pot it's an entirely different story.

In general my plan with my entire range is bet flop, if turn is J or lower plan to go for a b/c/b line, if turn is Q-K-A double barrel. This is going to make V's entire range that opens/calls a 3bet OOP pre in a very tough spot if he didn't flop a set.
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