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05-31-2014 , 02:15 PM

TrapHappy

enthusiast

Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 68

Hero($610)White late 20s been playing tag table has just been assembled so not really much to go on.

Villain1($220) 40s white business man there to have fun seems like an ok rec. player no to horrible

Villain2($325) Early 20s Asian just saw him loose a big pot where he triple barreled and mucked his hand when guy called river, before that he was quiet

limp, Villian1 limps Hero looks down at 10

raises to 20
Villain 2 calls as do the 3 limpers.

Flop($105)2

Villain 1 takes the lead with an unsure looking bet of $40 Hero puts him on a 9 and raises him to $150 Villain2 shoves his stack folds to Hero?? and what would you do if there was no flush draw??

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05-31-2014 , 02:28 PM

CWhite4

centurion

Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 192

Well obv vs a villain who can triple barrel bluff he is going to have some fds here and it would be a crime to fold an overpair for $150 more. On a dry board you may just want to flat because he will know your range is like 100% over pairs when you raise. Also on this hand raise less than $150 so he has some perceived fold equity.

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05-31-2014 , 02:37 PM

Oddhalo

The Situation

Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,004

If you truly put him on a 9 and this is what a donk usually reps.. Then you should prob be flatting flop most of the time... Any reason for the flop raise?

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05-31-2014 , 02:52 PM

johnnyBuz

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Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 7,563

I would have made it $30 PF. 5 + 1 BB per limper seems fairly standard. I'm calling here as V2 could easily be tilting and just GII with a nut flush draw. No 3! pre so I would highly discount JJ-AA. 55-99 in calling range so I think you are up against a decently wide range. Admittedly, I have no idea how to run the equity calc here but you are getting 4:1 and I'd have to imagine you have more than 20% equity. If you are sweating calling an additional 30 BB's with 120 BBs already in the pot then you are probably not rolled for the game.

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05-31-2014 , 03:09 PM

thenextlevel1

old hand

Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,678

Once you raise you are not going to be able to fold against that type of player getting 4-1. I think the debate is to flat the flop or raise it. Personally I would go with a flat here as I think a raise could push him off a 9 if you think he is decent. He could also have 66-88. I think he is more likely to call turn and river bets with 66-88 and 9x with a flat on the flop than calling 9x to a raise. Curious to know how often this guy donks into 3 way pots and how he has played flush draws before. On a dry board this would be a clear cut call.

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05-31-2014 , 03:23 PM

dunderstron!

adept

Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 842

Awesome. He was trying to set a price with his draw so you raised him an amount that gives him bad odds but doesn't force him out. Raising also protected our equity against overcards (I'd be much more inclined to flat AA here.)

Now call. We don't have to be afraid of overpairs, only sets. What a profitable spot. If he flopped a set, shrug and move on and make a note of how he played it. His line is a draw way more often than a set ime. But my experience is with 1/2 and 1/3 so I could be wrong about this 2/5 villain.

Overall I love the way you played the hand and am thrilled with this spot.

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05-31-2014 , 04:46 PM

Cheers4Booze

centurion

Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 143

Flatting the donk is terrible IMO. That quickly turns into RIO, in the best of circumstances.

We have a small hand, albeit likely best, with a player left to act behind us we need to protect our equity and deny odds to anyone on a draw. I'm perfectly content taking it down on the flop. 150 is a little strong, 120 would do the trick.

As played, you cannot fold to described V getting nearly 5-1.

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05-31-2014 , 05:18 PM

TrapHappy

enthusiast

Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 68

The raise was to protect my hand from draws and over cards. Just way to many to just flat I felt. Other Villian was reaching for chips as well.

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05-31-2014 , 09:19 PM

mtagliaf

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 5,649

disagree with this line, we have a small hand, we should keep the pot small. "Protecting our hand" is less important than losing our stack over it. Our hand is barely worth protecting.

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05-31-2014 , 09:39 PM

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MackCorl

grinder

Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 456

Flat.

If your fine getting stacks in then raise but it doesn't like your comfortable with it, or even thought about it. Always have a plan for the hand.

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05-31-2014 , 10:02 PM

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venice10

Referee

Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 25,855

If your raises are generating 4 callers, it is time to increase the size of your raises pf. Go to 30 and if that isn't enough, go higher. If everyone laughs and folds, then you can open up your range.

As played, your situation is miserable. The effective SPR is under 4. You don't have any room to move. If you're playing, you're pretty much stacking off. I'd raise, just simply because this villain could be stacking off with a FD.

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