Hero- 22 year old Indian guy , so far I showed down one hand where I raised A6ss to 20 and turned two pair and a guy shipped on me and I won. I've played pretty tight besides that hand. $750 UTG

V- Asian guy hasn't raised a hand yet he has been limping ( tables been open for 1 hour) 225 BTN

v2- older guy very passive he likes to call a lot he's a big muscular white guy, seems kinda out of it . 250$ utg+1

V3- lady she's been around poker a while probably cause a lot of the dealers are talking to her , she has glasses on and has played ok but it mixing it up , $650 MP

V4- older white he's been passive as well he bought in short for 200$ he has like $350ish in HJ

Hero raises to 20 Utg with 1010 and 4 people call than V1 looks around takes like 10 seconds than ships.

Hero?????

Lol. Fold.

"V only limps and hasn't raised in an hr."

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OP, you have 4 BB's invested in this pot right now. V1, who hasn't raised a hand in an hour, is shoving over your UTG open (which if he's aware, should be a strong range).

At best you are flipping with AK. There's not enough dead money in there to justify a call. You are an 80/20 dog to 24 combos of AA-JJ and a slight favorite vs. 16 combos of AK.

PS: why didn't you give us a read on V5? (not that any of the reads besides V1 are really relevant)

V is not aware that you raised UTG (IMO) but his shove range until otherwise demonstrated is AA-QQ, AK so now fold...if he shows something like 88s or A9s make a note and adjust accordingly

You guys don't think he can do this with less than jacks??? I thinks 77s+, AJ+ is shipping here

It's possible, but if you run 1000 simulations of this scenario, you're going to be making a losing call here.

Based upon the information available that range seems too wide, but even if that is his range you can find a better spot than here. You are only dominating a few combos in that very generous range.

Players that don't open raise a single hand in an hour are not shipping 77s+/AJ+ here. His range is QQ+/AK at its widest.

This.

In this case with that line on V I don't see much of a choice other than folding.

My thought, playing LLSNL , I've found alot of times UTG with a mid-weak PP your almost better off limping and see how the action goes for 2 reasons.

Your not going to get late positions to fold the top ~20-~25% of their range to a 2-3X raise pre and if you do get alot of flat calls your going to be in a weird spot 2.28 out of 3 times when an over pair flops AND now your in a multiway bloated pot with 2nd to 3rd pair. Or, as the situation played out here if you get it shoved back at you your pretty much done. (**All these statements a based off of V behavior and table dynamic of course**)

With TT's pre upfront to me they might as well be 77's.

Getting it in against an higher pair is $105 neg EV. Getting it in vs AK,AQ,88+ is $38-$48 +EV. Some short stackers have a wide range here, lots of them don't.

with the read you have on him just fold. At best you're flipping against AK and you don't have any information that he could do this with a smaller PP.

OP, I think I understand where you're coming from. You're Indian, so even if you have been playing tight people probably tend to see your UTG open as somewhat loose. With four callers in between it may indeed look like a good spot for BTN to squeeze.

If this was a really aggressive online game (esp online a few years ago when people squoze too much), then TT would have to be part of your gii range because there is a bit of dead money and BTN would show up with 77+, Axs, Kxs, suited connectors, and other crazy stuff a lot. However, this is live, the game doesn't sound too agro, and the villain in question sounds like a weak tight. Tbh, I don't even think he sounds aggressive enough to squeeze AK in this spot. He sounds like the type that would be content to see a flop in position with that hand and ONLY squeezes with QQ+.

So yeah...I see where you're coming from, but in this particular context this is a clear fold for me.

Insta-fold. +1 what everyone is saying - you're at best flipping with AK. If it turns out that he is doing this with mid-pocket pairs or worse to capitalize on the dead money then adjust (incidentally, not the best spot to do that in vs an UTG raise). Until he shows us this however, especially given your read of him not raising anything for an hour, easy fold.

Let me guess, you folded and he showed you garbage.

This spot is so insignificant that there really isn't any valuable discussion to be had.

Grunch, in game probably insta-calling here but it's a really close spot and folding is not terrible. If V3 goes over the top I'm folding. If players that called the initial raise were tight then I would fold this hand.

I would guess his range is much wider than that. His ship is more indicatory of a steal, AK, or a medium/small pocket pair than QQ+. Those are still in his range but less likely, IMO. Based on your post there should be $100 in dead money before he raises giving you good pot odds to call here.

Also, he has played passive but only for one hour. How many spots like is has he been in? My guess is not many.

If anything, this hand is better determined by BRM.

it's not what we think, it's what you think his range is, because you were the one observing him and said he hasn't raised a single hand for the whole hour the table has been opened.

This would label him as a weak/tight/passive player, and these types of players would call with all of those hands you mentioned, except AA, KK, QQ and JJ (all of which have you crushed).

This.

I seriously hesitate to ship it pre with TTs against any V tbqh.