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04-10-2014 , 07:09 PM

TrapHappy

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Hero($475)- Late 20s white sat down at the table a couple orbits ago been playing tight.

Villain1($300)- 50s white guy no reads

Villain2($700)- Late 20s white asking about 5 10 games but none running not familiar with casino has been raising and calling a good about definite lag.

Villian 3($450)-Old European guy playing tight passive

5 Limps to hero in bb with A

I make it 45 and the 3 Villians call in order with Villain 2 in the cutoff and Villian 3 on button

Flop($185) K

Whats your move right here, always check?

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04-10-2014 , 07:30 PM

cheesefist

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2 orbits in, without solid reads, I am checking my option in the BB w ATo.

Is anyone limp/calling with AJ/AQ? If the table is this loose passive, it is very possible. I just hate this spot.

As played, it's a pretty standard c/f vs this many villains.

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04-10-2014 , 08:59 PM

QuadJ

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Multiway this board is just way too bad for barreling. The pot is already too big and you probably need to hit your gut shot to win. You could think about a c-bet if you where heads up but with that many opponents it's just lighting money on fire.

Preflop, I wouldn't try squeezing with ATo without a better read on table. It is a hand that flops marginal strength far too often, leaving you with no idea where you are when you catch one pair.

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04-10-2014 , 09:34 PM

Dirty313

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Originally Posted by cheesefist

this

if table is very weak tight then raise

but being new i check

and this multiway i check and hope for free card

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04-10-2014 , 09:37 PM

Sebastes Pinneger

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This Flop hits V's limp calling ranges pretty good, never cbetting OOP even though we love/hate this flop.

Gutter to the Nuts looks sexy but, well you know where that usually end up

Never raising AToff from BB vs. majority of table and a couple of railbirds holding a pair of napkins.

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04-10-2014 , 10:17 PM

spikeraw22

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easy check on BB.

easy c/f flop

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04-11-2014 , 02:34 AM

J_tacular

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I'm more of a fan of just checking the bb here. Although I do think we are probably ahead pre most of the time when its l/c, its tough to AT off oop.

As played Im c/f this flop. If you bet on the flop here and get called, you're either going to have to fire again ott or just give up. Just check and hope it gets checked around and get a free card.

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04-11-2014 , 02:56 AM

wj94

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Check pre. Open shoving flop is an option but sort of spewy. Doubt you get called with worse than AK
So they are prob going to fold 95% of the time since your hand looks like AK/AA. If you are betting flop less than a shove then pot it.

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04-11-2014 , 04:31 AM

daniel9861

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Pre is fine as long as you have a read that most of the limpers would raise AJ+.

As played I would bet 1/2 pot and shove most turns if V2 or V3 calls. C/f if V1 calls the flop bet.

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04-11-2014 , 12:36 PM

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J_tacular

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Originally Posted by daniel9861

Pre is fine as long as you have a read that most of the limpers would raise AJ+.

As played I would bet 1/2 pot and shove most turns if V2 or V3 calls. C/f if V1 calls the flop bet.

Why bet here? I think it is just spew betting into 3 opponents with only a broadway draw and no backdoor flush draws.

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04-11-2014 , 12:47 PM

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Donkopilis

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Delayed c bet u could, see if ite get checked thru the first time and if so cbet the turn. also if u check n first to villians check u could check raise the v3 line looks super strong... lol im sure im goann get killed for that answer

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04-11-2014 , 01:52 PM

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daniel9861

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Originally Posted by J_tacular

Why bet here? I think it is just spew betting into 3 opponents with only a broadway draw and no backdoor flush draws.

I'm putting heavy weight on OP's reads but if true V2 and V3 have a capped range and I would expect them to raise AK pre and 2pair+ to raise our flop bet most of the time so if they flat they have like KJ, KT, Kxs, JT and based off of player descriptions I don't think V2 stacks off with those hands unimproved and V3 sometimes folds KJ, KT since he's tight passive and our line looks so strong and we have 7 outs against those hands if called.

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04-11-2014 , 02:11 PM

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Willyoman

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I dunno Daniel, we're 4-way here. I'm check/folding the flop.

Pre-flop.. ehhh.. I think raising is fine, but $45 is a little small oop. I'd make it $55.

Without any reads and oop, I also think checking pre-flop is fine.

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04-11-2014 , 02:16 PM

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trucdouf

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PF I don't like the move or sizing. This should be a check. If we are going to raise to either take it down or thin the field, it's got to be 60 with 30 dead and 5 other players.

Flop is a c/f. Betting is spew, but will give your image a bonus.

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04-11-2014 , 03:09 PM

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daniel9861

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I know it seems spewy on the surface but we only need Kx hands to fold about 25-30% of the time since JT will be in their flatting range and with our line looking so strong I think we get enough fold equity from those hands against those opponents.

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04-11-2014 , 03:18 PM

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Willyoman

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Your line relies on top pair to fold the flop ever? Son.

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04-11-2014 , 03:27 PM

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daniel9861

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Nah I don't expect Kx to fold flop but would expect those hands to fold against a pot size turn shove with some frequency.

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04-11-2014 , 03:30 PM

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beauvanlaanen

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Check the BB. Rarely are you taking this down pre and playing oop against multiple opponents with AT sucks. As played I prolly cbet small and give up turn of I don't improve.

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