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08-31-2013 , 03:36 AM
SB, ~$700: bad loose-passive player, plays his own hand strength, not a good hand reader.

BTN, ~$850: decent, thinking young Asian player. Nothing too out of line in the last hour since he sat down, but I got the feeling he was more sLAG than TAG.

HERO in MP, ~$900: been quiet for 2 hours, due pretty much solely to card deadness. Should be viewed as nit, but not sure if anyone really cares.

BTN straddles to $10, SB limps, BB calls, folds to me, I open to $50 with black JJ. BTN throws in his call (to me means a hand he didn't consider 3betting at all), and fishy SB calls.

I flop the nuts on Jh 5d 4s. SB checks, and I check, hoping for the BTN to try something. I think the board is too dry for me to bet out, but maybe you can convince me otherwise. Sadly it's checked through.

Turn is 6d, and all of a sudden this board is not so dry. SB leads for $100 into $155, I call (think a raise is really transparent, and I fully expect SB to bet most rivers since his sizing tells me he has a made hand and isn't semibluffing). BTN raises tiny to $275 total, with $520ish behind.

As I'm contemplating flatting if SB flats or shipping, SB tanks for a bit and jams himself. It's $155 + $650 + $100 + $275 = $1180 total, with $550 more to me, with BTN having ~$520 behind. I only put the numbers here so people can verify, but I think this is a snap jam for me, even if BTN only has made straights. SB is kinda irrelevant I think, except for him blocking my outs.

I'm more interested in what people think of my line on the flop and my turn flat. I thought flop was standard, and I thought I could induce action from BTN sometimes by flatting turn (didn't care about SB, pretty sure I crush him).

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08-31-2013 , 04:43 AM
BTN's range could very well be 78 due to his straddle call.

SB's could also due to being a "bad-player" but since you said he was passive, do you think he would call 40 more with 78?

We need 30% equity here, and way less if we think BTN is coming along also, which odds are he MOST definitely will depending on his range of what he would raise with ott given the pot size and odds to call.

If BTN calls, that makes the pot 2250, and us having invested 550 ott. That makes it 25% now.

Even if we are behind against a straight, we have 11 possible outs, and 9 outs if we are running into two-pair. 11/46 = 24%. 9/46 = 20%. We're below equity, but its only on the worst case scenario. One of these v's could be shoving two pair (SB), and BTN could be shoving with a lower set (66)

Yeah, I'm calling here, I don't think there's anyway I'm ever folding here with that much (potential) money in the pot with top set.
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08-31-2013 , 04:58 AM
Yeh call, good analysis above imo. Also I'd def cbet flop, people just like to call too much.
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08-31-2013 , 09:44 AM
You would bet this flop 100% of the time if you whiffed it. So bet it here as well I think. Just bet like $50-$60 just like you could do when you have nothing. No need to bet bigger and people might float or make a move on that bet and also, you make sure SB has a chance to check-raise by betting.

Turn you can raise because there are plenty of monster draws people can have that will chase on the turn. Doesn't matter if it's "transparent" or not. This is another problem with checking the flop that you are worried about being transparent on the turn.
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