2/5/10, 1k effective, 4am Saturday night, 5-handed.

V1 (3k+): Only spot on the table, young asian rec player. Has shown up with some big hands this session and is up a few buy ins. Slightly loose pre.
V2: (1.5k): Aggro asian reg. Hasn't 3 bet much but opens really wide and likes to barrel heaps. Recently seat changed to V1's left so that he can play against him in position.
Hero: (1.2k) Young TAG image. Haven't played many pots. Perceived as tight

OTTG:

UTG live straddle 10, V1 opens 35 from the CO, v2 3 bets to 105 from the button and i cold 4 bet from the SB with AxQ to 300. I think it's a good spot to 4 bet bluff with blockers and my image. Folds around to V1 who calls and V2 who tank folds.

A reasonable v1 range to me seemed like 1010-qq, ak. Perhaps some 99, kk, aqs.

Flop ($715): 10J4. I check, v1 checks behind. SPR is really awkward and i don't think he's folding to a cbet on this board so i decided to check.
Turn ($715): Jx. I bet $175 with the intention of jamming most rivers, v1 calls. If i bet small on turn and jam brick rivers i feel like i can get the most fold equity. Maybe i can just jam here?
River ($1065): Qx. I have about 700 behind. Against my assigned range, V1 has a pretty strong hand. I check, he checks behind


Really curious about how the hand was played, any advice on how best to play it and if my logic and thinking was correct. Thanks!

I'm not going to comment on the 4 bet bluff itself. That is entirely a table read if you have enough FE or not.

Not betting the flop was a mistake. Any situation where you hare making the 4 bet bluff you need to carry through on the flop or just give up. Your turn bet has no FE and you are rarely going to get a fold on the river. In general the Q is actually a good card for you to bluff shove the river because you can represent AK/QQ but obviously it doesn't work here.

Flop easy x/f. Turn x/f. Good you didnt spew river.

This.


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if i have no fold equity on the turn and river wouldn't that translate to little on the flop?

is it possible to bet on brick rivers, maybe even jam, to get ak to fold? should make up a big part of his range in this spot

Normally but not so much in this case. The situation is that after 4 betting pre and getting a somewhat wet flop it is very unlikely villain will believe you are slow playing any made hand. When you check flop and then bet later it looks very bluffy unless you can represent backing into something. Or course if villain has AK and has nothing also they may fold but if that was the case they are going to fold flop also. In this situation even if you had a brick turn and river, if you wait till river and then shove you may get a call by AK figuring you are chopping.

Needed to make 4b a little smaller bc of your stack size imo like 270 or so.

Flop is an easy bet vs his range which is ak aq and pps (I'll give him more pairs than you did since he could reasonably call with smaller pps with the expectation that the 3bettor will come along too for better odds)

Don't need to bet flop big just like half pot. He either has a set or nothing and if he has a set he will raise this flop always. I suppose he can raise with AKdd too but that's basically a set vs our hand anyway.

If he folds great. If he calls it's safe to say you're up against QQ or KK (more likely kk with blockers) and it becomes a judgement call on whether you think you can get him off with a turn shove.

As played once you check the flop I think you have to just give up

V2 doesn't call with many pp in a 4bet pot.

TT-AA has hero crushed on this board. Maybe it can work against 99, AKo.

Also, set might just call down on this board.


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very good advice here OP

PRE - I don't like the cold 4B with AQo from the SB. Think I'd rather just fold at this stack depth, and wait for a better spot.

FLOP - I think we have to c-bet flop after 4B'ing pre. But we can go really small, like $150-$200. Our cold 4B is repping TT+/AKs that either make sets, or are over-pairs to the board, or are just AK. I'm expecting AK without the Ad to mostly fold.

TURN - This is the problem with cold 4B'ing pre with AQo. I don't love it, but if you're repping over-pairs and sets, you have to keep barreling, and big. Again, I'm expecting AK to fold, unless it's AKdd.

RIVER - if V hasn't folded yet, he's not folding now, so I'd be giving up.

I'd probably just jam the flop as played. Opponent might even fold AK face up.

Not necessarily the most optimal line, but solver probably isn't 4! pre anyway, and maximizing fold equity is often best in these type of live lineups anyway. If we trust our read we aren't worried about running into qq+ and have decent equity even when Hero is called.

I like the jam cause it gets through better hands a lot, but don’t agree we have decent equity when called.

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