[2/5/10] 57s OOP after raising, $1200 deep - Page 2 - Live Low-stakes No Limit Poker Forum

Im sorry but this hand makes absolutely no sense. I already talked about the action up to the river being pretty bad, but the river is a total disaster. If you think you can blow him off his hand by shoving the river then do it (I wouldnt, but it will work a good amount of the time especially after seeing his hand).

Why in thew world would you chicken out by checking and then decide to call? What hand that you beat could he reasonably be bluffing with there? 44?

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03-24-2018 , 05:10 PM

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Havok

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The reason you don’t play weak hands OOP is because your going to have to put money in the pot without the Benfit of knowing what your opponents actions are first. This allows your opponent to play perfectly against you, which is why you need a stronger hand. Also, if your looking for connectors to play, low two gappers will rarely hit. If I do make this play I would prefer to be closer to the button.

In this hand short of shoving the river and turning your hand in to a bluff, you bloated the straddled pot with rags. It’s highly unlikely your opponent doesn’t have a King, and it’s even more unlikely he would fold the River after the turn call. Also your image isn’t great if you’ve shown bluffs.

Look for a better spot and fold these rag type hand OOP. Your wasting money.

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03-24-2018 , 07:28 PM

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Joey913

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I wonder if OP would have pulled the trigger on the river had she not caught a tiny piece at the end. I know for myself sometimes when I have been semibluffing with a combo draw and miss on the river but catch a low pair, I've talked myself into some checks with some perverted notion of SDV.

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03-24-2018 , 09:59 PM

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Ranma4703

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Originally Posted by MikeStarr

Because I played the hand poorly pre and on the river. I didn't post this hand to brag about my play.

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03-25-2018 , 02:27 PM

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PokerPrince

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Originally Posted by Joey913

Great point and well said. I've been there myself!

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03-25-2018 , 02:58 PM

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PokerPrince

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Originally Posted by Ranma4703

So my flop / turn bet sizing was 100% to set up the threat up a river jam, I think it is very important to do that in spots like this where our range clearly smashes villain's range and they're going to be forced to call down with top pairs with weaker kickers. In fact, I think my turn bet is a bit small, I'd rather go 330 to set up and threaten an easier river jam.

As for fold equity based on gender, I play in a pretty small room (1-2 games of 2/5 going at a time usually), and I've played there for years, so most of my opponents know me. I think in general my gender causes people to call me down much more lightly if they know me, because they don't want to be embarrassed by me bluffing them. But if someone hasn't really seen me play, they tend to play a bit tighter.

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Are there other hands I've posted that you'd like results for?

I don't think hands like QJ/QT/JT would be in villain's range from the get-go given his limp on btn vs hijack straddle. I could be wrong but I would assume even the dumbest players would raise two paint in that spot. His range is almost entirely Kx on river, as I can't see too many 9x calling your healthy turn bet. So yeah, the river c/c is bad but hey, we all make mistakes and improve by learning from those mistakes. It seems like you review your hands objectively which is one of the foundations for success in poker.

As for results of previous hand posts I'll have to do a search and get back to you.

I enjoy figuring out poker puzzles and seeing if my read is right or off. It's great off-the-table practice!

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03-26-2018 , 11:20 AM

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PokerPrince

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Ranma, results for these hands please:

[2/5] QQ vs two good players, $1200 deep

[2/5] QQ in EP vs 3bet

[2/5] NFD+TPTK gets raised on the flop

[2/5/10] I'm getting 4.5:1 but I'm not sure I beat anything

All very interesting spots. Thank you.

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03-26-2018 , 11:25 AM

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shorn7

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Originally Posted by Havok

The reason you don’t play weak hands OOP is because your going to have to put money in the pot without the Benfit of knowing what your opponents actions are first. This allows your opponent to play perfectly against you, which is why you need a stronger hand. Also, if your looking for connectors to play, low two gappers will rarely hit. If I do make this play I would prefer to be closer to the button.

In this hand short of shoving the river and turning your hand in to a bluff, you bloated the straddled pot with rags. It’s highly unlikely your opponent doesn’t have a King, and it’s even more unlikely he would fold the River after the turn call. Also your image isn’t great if you’ve shown bluffs.

Look for a better spot and fold these rag type hand OOP. Your wasting money.

This. Play these hands in LP (and even wider) where you have the huge positional advantage.

I don't understand the call either regardless of other streets. It is either fold or shove.

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03-26-2018 , 01:09 PM

#34

Ranma4703

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Originally Posted by PokerPrince

Ok I think I got all of them

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03-26-2018 , 04:12 PM

#35

PokerPrince

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Originally Posted by Ranma4703

Ok I think I got all of them

Thanks, Ranma; I appreciate you taking the time to do that.

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