2/5/10 3b light OOP - Live Low-stakes No Limit Poker Forum

H = Super tight image; completely card dead for last few hours

V = 20's TAG pro from vegas
-opening frequently and attacking fish ; has shown down monsters but small sample size (3hrs or so)

2/5/10 BTN straddle 1k eff

V in MP opens 35
Folds to me in sb with J

3b to 155
V calls
Flop A

(325)
Hero?

Bet fold?
Xc?
Xf?

Don't want to bias opinions, so I will post my line after.

Quote

05-23-2018 , 05:20 PM

WereBeer

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 10,700

I think the 3bet is bad, I just pitch this and move on with my life.

AP, don’t know. This is a nasty flop for him I guess and we have some equity if not loads. I probably b/f flop, and mostly give up if he calls and we don’t improve.

Quote

05-23-2018 , 05:26 PM

daniel9861

veteran

Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,389

Shouldn’t really 3bet this wide, especially if you’re not sure how to proceed postflop. Bet $100 to attack the part of his range that are pocket pairs 99 and below without a spade.

Quote

05-23-2018 , 05:51 PM

Amanaplan

acanalpanamA

Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 5,628

Call pre if deep enough. Ckc flop.

Quote

05-23-2018 , 05:53 PM

matzah_ball

veteran

Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 2,726

Pre is just a -EV spaz. I’ve done plenty of these in my life but this hand should just be mucked.

As played we’re betting for sure

Quote

05-23-2018 , 06:05 PM

browni3141

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 5,678

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amanaplan

Call pre if deep enough.

How do you think you're going to be profitable with QJo OOP to a TAG pro's MP opening range? 1 billion BBs deep trash is still trash.

You can be patient and wait for a better hand to 3-bet, OP. 3-betting light doesn't mean 3-betting trash. Something like QJs is much better, which is probably still too weak to flat OOP.

You shouldn't be 3-betting many offsuit hands here, so you won't have many better semi-bluffs. I would bet/fold. Checking and facing a bet with a non-nut draw and no showdown value is not good.

Quote

05-23-2018 , 06:10 PM

Joey913

old hand

Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 1,300

Yeah I'd wait for a better spot pre to 3!, but as played I would b/f flop for 60% pot.

Quote

05-23-2018 , 06:27 PM

Amanaplan

acanalpanamA

Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 5,628

Quote:

Originally Posted by browni3141

I thought we were bb and I get spewy from there. It’s a pretty routine fold from the sb and you pretty much ended the thread here. Also, yea just bet flop w initiative - I really bungled this one up, forgot AP we were the 3b. Gonna go take a nap now.

Quote

05-23-2018 , 06:37 PM

Joey913

old hand

Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 1,300

If we were soooooted would folks be down with the 3! pre?

Quote

05-23-2018 , 06:50 PM

#10

HawkesDave

adept

Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 1,173

I'd be surprised to find how many people are profitable with QJo from any position whatsoever, much less a 3b OOP.

Quote

05-23-2018 , 07:16 PM

#11

Matt98

centurion

Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 138

Against a good player you don't want to be 3-betting this light. It's a 3-bet or fold spot but I'd just fold and look to do this against weaker players.

As played this flop is a mandatory bet, we have a range advantage, we have way more As in our range than villain, and we have so much equity when called. I'd go for like a $180 flop bet.

Quote

05-23-2018 , 07:16 PM

#12

johnnyBuz

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 7,563

You’ve got Q-hi with good blockers. You should know what to do here.

(Bet/fold if that wasn’t obvious)

Quote

05-23-2018 , 07:17 PM

#13

the_dude_174

adept

Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 824

We 3b lite to exploit Vs who raise/fold too much pre or raise/call wide and give up too much post. That does not sound like this V. If you feel like you are 3betting too narrow, add A5s and KQs once in a while. Not this crap.

Quote

05-23-2018 , 08:43 PM

#14

Viral25

old hand

Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 1,857

If V is opening frequently, 3betting can't be horrible. Needless to say we could definitely choose a better hand, but if he's opening >25% of hands, even QJo is good enough.

AP, bet small (100-130ish), barrel a lot of turns.

Quote

05-23-2018 , 08:58 PM

#15

MikeStarr

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 7,962

I like a lite 3 bet as much as the next guy but this is terrible. We both know you wanted him to fold when you made it $155. You're risking $155 to win $50ish preflop and preying for a fold. Not my idea of a great idea.

I'm not bet/folding this flop with the pot bloated this much already. Id rather crai than bet/fold.

Quote

05-23-2018 , 09:16 PM

#16

Viral25

old hand

Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 1,857

^Really? 155 is big-ish but definitely not out of the ordinary imo. Again, villain's frequencies matter, but i wouldn't mind using this sizing with my entire range.
(And to be clear on my previous post, QJo should be a fold like 90% of the time)

I do think you guys are overestimating how often we get raised on this board. If V is genuinely good, he really shouldn't ever raise this flop. (And mostly check behind if we check)

Quote

05-23-2018 , 11:44 PM

#17

HomelessPizza

grinder

Join Date: Jul 2017 Posts: 599

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_dude_174

Lots of issues here...

1) I 3b light not just for exploit reasons, but to balance my range.

2) QJo is not a crap hand, rather it is at the top of my bluff 3betting range (compared with Q8s or J9o eg).

3) I'm confused on your last statement. Adding hands to widen my 3b, are you suggesting a merged 3bet range? B/c that is not the issue at hand. Hands like KQs would be a 3bet for value.

Quote

05-24-2018 , 12:10 AM

#18

Mr Spyutastic

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 15,135

PF is ok if done sparingly vs the right villain. Not sure if I'd pick this guy though, but certainly better than vs a loose fish.

I think QJo is fine to do it with because I don't mind folding it to a 4 bet and it flops ok.

As played I like either CR or C/C and follow up aggression on the turn.Don't think a bet is very good at all.

Quote

05-24-2018 , 02:00 AM

#19

daniel9861

veteran

Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,389

In the hopes of keeping you from lighting more money on fire, I suggest you should do some work away from the table into constructing a better OOP 3Betting range.

Quote

05-24-2018 , 10:34 AM

#20

shorn7

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,495

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawkesDave

I'd be surprised to find how many people are profitable with QJo from any position whatsoever, much less a 3b OOP.

I can count how many on less than two fingers most likely.

Quote

05-24-2018 , 10:34 AM

#21

shorn7

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,495

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnnyBuz

You’ve got Q-hi with good blockers. You should know what to do here.

(Bet/fold if that wasn’t obvious)

This

Quote

05-24-2018 , 10:40 AM

#22

MikeStarr

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 7,962

If hero bets $140 and villain shoves, he needs 34% equity to continue.

He has 44% vs AK without Ks
He has 11% vs AxKs
He has 36% vs AA or any set
He has 43% vs an unlikely but possible AT
He has 47% vs AQ/AJ (unlikely but maybe the guy gets frisky once in a while with that here)
He has 44% vs AxJs

I think the preflop 3 bet to $155 was insane but once here, Im not bet/folding. Alot of people might Cbet bigger to like $200. Hero needs even less equity if he Cbets that much

Quote

05-24-2018 , 11:05 AM

#23

johnnyBuz

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 7,563

Uh and what about his most likely raising hand, flushes, Mike?

Quote

05-24-2018 , 11:29 AM

#24

mdelore

old hand

Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 1,315

OP you play way too loose

Quote

05-24-2018 , 11:45 AM

#25

AllTheCheese

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 11,898

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnnyBuz

Uh and what about his most likely raising hand, flushes, Mike?

They are not likely at all. There is KsJs (most would flat a cbet on the flop) and 9s8s - even that is pretty loose pre.

Quote

Page 1 of 3

First

1 2 3

Last

Post Reply Subscribe

...

Page 1 of 3

First

1 2 3

Last